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Wow. It goes to show that coaching is everything.
RW 20 Dvorak, Radek 72 14 32 46 18 26 6 0 0 2 174 8.0
C 93 Nedved, Petr ALL 75 17 23 40 8- 46 7 0 3 0 177 9.6
NYR 65 14 17 31 9- 42 5 0 3 0 153 9.2
EDM 10 3 6 9 1 4 2 0 0 0 24 12.5
C 16 York, Mike 56 15 24 39 17 15 1 2 0 1 135 11.1
D 55 Ulanov, Igor 36 3 12 15 18 24 0 0 2 0 44 6.8



Radek Dvorak +18 ties with Igor Ulanov a +18 in only 36 games with Oilers. Both players got booed here at times when they were on Rangers. Mike York is 2ed in +- with a +17.

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Wow. It goes to show that coaching is everything.
RW 20 Dvorak, Radek 72 14 32 46 18 26 6 0 0 2 174 8.0
C 93 Nedved, Petr ALL 75 17 23 40 8- 46 7 0 3 0 177 9.6
NYR 65 14 17 31 9- 42 5 0 3 0 153 9.2
EDM 10 3 6 9 1 4 2 0 0 0 24 12.5
C 16 York, Mike 56 15 24 39 17 15 1 2 0 1 135 11.1
D 55 Ulanov, Igor 36 3 12 15 18 24 0 0 2 0 44 6.8



Radek Dvorak +18 ties with Igor Ulanov a +18 in only 36 games with Oilers. Both players got booed here at times when they were on Rangers. Mike York is 2ed in +- with a +17.
That idiot Sather hasnt gotten it right yet in coaching selection. Sather will never pick the high profile successful coach with a proven track record because he doesnt want the headache of a coach telling him who to trade and who to cut and what players to trade for. Thats why sather passed on Hitchcock, Burns and Keenan.

Its time for Sather to Hire a coach that has a proven track record of success in the NHL that likes to coach young players. If Sather doesnt go out and get Joel Quenville, then Sather will be making another mistake. FIRE GLEN SATHER!!!!!!

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York and Dvorak are performing similarly to what they did here. Remember that they were traded for other similar high-level talent when they were doing well.

Ulanov was just a trash heap and I personally was sick of Nedved not having linemates that were of his style and other times just not caring...

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Wow. It goes to show that coaching is everything.
RW 20 Dvorak, Radek 72 14 32 46 18 26 6 0 0 2 174 8.0
C 93 Nedved, Petr ALL 75 17 23 40 8- 46 7 0 3 0 177 9.6
NYR 65 14 17 31 9- 42 5 0 3 0 153 9.2
EDM 10 3 6 9 1 4 2 0 0 0 24 12.5
C 16 York, Mike 56 15 24 39 17 15 1 2 0 1 135 11.1
D 55 Ulanov, Igor 36 3 12 15 18 24 0 0 2 0 44 6.8



Radek Dvorak +18 ties with Igor Ulanov a +18 in only 36 games with Oilers. Both players got booed here at times when they were on Rangers. Mike York is 2ed in +- with a +17.

Marek Zidilicky 82 14 39 53 -16 82 (defensemen)

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Dvorak is a loser. People seem to forget he tanked it for 54 games under Trottier. Sorry but we don't need a bunch of dopes who don't play hard if they don't love the coach

 
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Marek Zidilicky 82 14 39 53 -16 82 (defensemen)

I know Malhotra, Ekman did well also ......

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I know Malhotra, Ekman did well also ......

And you forgot Marc Savard. At least Ciger was a former ranger who still sucked and kamensky.

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if we are talking about former Ranger refuse to work miracles elsewhere we must not forget about - Mike Knuble and Kim Jonsson....


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Wow. It goes to show that coaching is everything.
RW 20 Dvorak, Radek 72 14 32 46 18 26 6 0 0 2 174 8.0
C 93 Nedved, Petr ALL 75 17 23 40 8- 46 7 0 3 0 177 9.6
NYR 65 14 17 31 9- 42 5 0 3 0 153 9.2
EDM 10 3 6 9 1 4 2 0 0 0 24 12.5
C 16 York, Mike 56 15 24 39 17 15 1 2 0 1 135 11.1
D 55 Ulanov, Igor 36 3 12 15 18 24 0 0 2 0 44 6.8



Radek Dvorak +18 ties with Igor Ulanov a +18 in only 36 games with Oilers. Both players got booed here at times when they were on Rangers. Mike York is 2ed in +- with a +17.
These are hardly surprising numbers. What they do indicate however is the complete lack of a system here. It is not the players. And that comes down 100% on Slats. Not only did he hire the coach, he was the coach.

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These are hardly surprising numbers. What they do indicate however is the complete lack of a system here. It is not the players. And that comes down 100% on Slats. Not only did he hire the coach, he was the coach.
When asked last year for the reason for the improved play of both his team and his play, Amonte said "it's all coaching". If the caliber of the draft picks is 1, then the importance of FINALLY getting it right with the coaching choice, is 1A.

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When asked last year for the reason for the improved play of both his team and his play, Amonte said "it's all coaching". If the caliber of the draft picks is 1, then the importance of FINALLY getting it right with the coaching choice, is 1A.

We don't need Tony Amonte or Mike York or Peter Nedved or Radek Dvorak (who I'm still glad we are rid of) to cement that point. If you look at teams like Minnesota and Anaheim last year, Calgary and Montreal this year, and even the Devils, they are a product of good coaching. The Rangers of 2002-2004 were much more talented teams. What was the difference?

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The Rangers of 2002-2004 were much more talented teams. What was the difference?
Sorry, I disagree. Having talented individuals doesn't automatically create a team. There hasn't been a real team here for years--just a collection of individuals thrown together. And I think we've proven that building a "team" this way doesn't work. Getting a real coaching staff into this organization will definitely help, but, I seriously doubt that the lack of a good coaching staff is the only reason we've failed in the last 4-7 years.

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I think a good portion of what happened the last few years has to do with a lack of good coaching. While I agree 100% that a collection of a bunch of players does not constitute a team, a coach could've made these guys at least respectible. There were glaring problems with this team, and none seemed to be addressed by coaches. While personnel was a problem, coaching could've made a difference (I'm not talking about bringing a team to the Stanley Cup, but at least on par with the Isles, perhaps).

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I agree... no coach could have made us a legit contender, but a top notch coach could have certainly made us better... probably better then the Isles at least.

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I think a good portion of what happened the last few years has to do with a lack of good coaching. While I agree 100% that a collection of a bunch of players does not constitute a team, a coach could've made these guys at least respectible. There were glaring problems with this team, and none seemed to be addressed by coaches. While personnel was a problem, coaching could've made a difference (I'm not talking about bringing a team to the Stanley Cup, but at least on par with the Isles, perhaps).
Great, so we could be endlessly discussing whether making it into the playoffs and then being blown out in the 1st round was worth it (isn't there a thread discussing this now? ). Good coaching only goes so far--my argument is that the way the "teams" were put together is the main problem. None the "teams" Sather has put together in his tenure here could have kept up with the pace in the playoffs. That's not a coaching problem.

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