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02-16-2010, 10:26 PM
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Bergeron, as good as he may be, is simply a utility player at this point who will player all over the roster. Clearly Mike Richards can be an impact player for this team, and I even think Brendan Morrow can offer more in terms of momentum changing shifts he capable of giving.

I haven't changed my mind completely, but Yzerman could've definitely been onto something with the Bergeron selection, the guy is still a good player, but most importantly he's versatile and that faceoff prowess is most definitely going to pay dividends for the team.
I agree, I think the reason they chose Bergeron is the fact they can really plug him anywhere in the lineup... I feel he will be a huge factor later on in the Tournament.

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02-16-2010, 10:34 PM
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I am still shuddering from seeing Pronger get burned by Thoresen in this game.
I have always been a fan of Thoresen as a core 3rd line player...

Do you believe Patrick Thoresen should be offered a 2 year contract at $1 million per season????

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02-16-2010, 11:07 PM
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Ctv said they were going to show it. Not sure if they will show it in its entirety though.
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not sure if its been posted but luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu chanting is so lame.
Agreed. I understand if he makes a great save (which he did once), but when they do it every time he touches the puck is stupid. Looosers chant Luuu.

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My first thought at the beginning of the game was, Wow, out of all the players that we could pick to take to the olympics somehow our top line ends up being Bergeron - Crosby - Nash. Probably one of the worst top lines in Canadian mens hockey.

I said it after the teams were picked and I will say it again Bergeron sohuld not be at these games. Carter would be far more useful that Patrice. But oh well.
Maybe its just me, but I always thought it'd be smart to invest it in say a PK specialist, like a Sharp like player.

The guy is a versatile winger, who is a defensive maestro, plays gritty, and can score goals here and there. We have enough scorers, but a guy like that could be really useful.

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Maybe its just me, but I always thought it'd be smart to invest it in say a PK specialist, like a Sharp like player.

The guy is a versatile winger, who is a defensive maestro, plays gritty, and can score goals here and there. We have enough scorers, but a guy like that could be really useful.
I'd like to see that "On Home Ice" show again, because I believe this was touched on a non-direct way. I would imagine Sharp would have gotten more consideration if there were injuries/poor play with either Brenden Morrow or Mike Richards. All told, it's just a silly amount of skill to choose and guys like Richards and Morrow pretty much make the PK skills of Sharp redundant (along with the offensive ability). Not to mention there are other players that are quite capable on the PK as well.

I'd be curious to see just how close he was in Hockey Canada's books.

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I have always been a fan of Thoresen as a core 3rd line player...

Do you believe Patrick Thoresen should be offered a 2 year contract at $1 million per season????
If your Patrick Thoresen why would you give up being the plus/minus leader and top ten in points in your league to be a third liner in the NHL?

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If your Patrick Thoresen why would you give up being the plus/minus leader and top ten in points in your league to be a third liner in the NHL?
To play in a better league and become an maybe become a better player??

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If your Patrick Thoresen why would you give up being the plus/minus leader and top ten in points in your league to be a third liner in the NHL?
money, fame, possibly getting better

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02-17-2010, 01:54 AM
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To play in a better league and become an maybe become a better player??
If I'm in his shoes, I'm thinking about my earning opportunities. Playing in the KHL he has the chance to make some big, big dollars if he can keep producing the way that he has this season.

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That doesn't seem to be an issue in the KHL. Becoming a better player is debatable.

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That doesn't seem to be an issue in the KHL. Becoming a better player is debatable.
woah wtf i didnt even know he was in the khl now lol
never mind then about the monies :p

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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but I have a bad feeling about the lack of dimension on our team.

It's like we iced an All-Star team, without thinking things through carefully.

If we're playing a close tight checking 1-0 game where our goalie is standing on their heads with 3 mins left, wouldn't we want to have some defensive specialists on our team?

I mean after that first game, all I saw were cute plays, fruity back passes, spinny moves, and nothing that indicated there would be much grit.

I get the feeling we should've sent Smyth just in case. If we run into a REALLY hot goalie who isn't buying any of that cutesy All-star game crap, or we find ourselves down 3-0 going into the third. We might need a dirty unstoppable goal that bounces off of a head, a back, 2 sticks, off of Ryan's a$$, both posts then in, because for some reason I think we're gonna get royally embarassed when some team decides to play the trap on us, while riding a hot goalie.


Call me a skeptic, but I just keep thinking back to the different dimensions we had back in Salt Lake City.

Biggest things we're missing seems to be the clutch guys that Sakic, Yzerman, Lemieux were.

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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but I have a bad feeling about the lack of dimension on our team.

It's like we iced an All-Star team, without thinking things through carefully.

If we're playing a close tight checking 1-0 game where our goalie is standing on their heads with 3 mins left, wouldn't we want to have some defensive specialists on our team?

I mean after that first game, all I saw were cute plays, fruity back passes, spinny moves, and nothing that indicated there would be much grit.

I get the feeling we should've sent Smyth just in case. If we run into a REALLY hot goalie who isn't buying any of that cutesy All-star game crap, or we find ourselves down 3-0 going into the third.

We might need a dirty unstoppable goal that bounces off of a head, a back, 2 sticks, off of Ryan's a$$, both posts then in, because for some reason I think we're gonna get royally embarassed when some team decides to play the trap on us, while riding a hot goalie.


Call me a skeptic, but I just keep thinking back to the different dimensions we had back in Salt Lake City.

Biggest things we're missing seems to be the clutch guys that Sakic, Yzerman, Lemieux were.
one name, crosby

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one name, crosby
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Crosby have around 2 points in the 7 game SCF against Detroit?

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I think that Canada is looking at guys like Richards and Toews to be those "gritty" guys. Whether it's a smart move to put those kinds of responsibilities in the hands of a 25 year old and a 21 year old remains to be seen.

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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but I have a bad feeling about the lack of dimension on our team.

It's like we iced an All-Star team, without thinking things through carefully.

If we're playing a close tight checking 1-0 game where our goalie is standing on their heads with 3 mins left, wouldn't we want to have some defensive specialists on our team?

I mean after that first game, all I saw were cute plays, fruity back passes, spinny moves, and nothing that indicated there would be much grit.

I get the feeling we should've sent Smyth just in case. If we run into a REALLY hot goalie who isn't buying any of that cutesy All-star game crap, or we find ourselves down 3-0 going into the third. We might need a dirty unstoppable goal that bounces off of a head, a back, 2 sticks, off of Ryan's a$$, both posts then in, because for some reason I think we're gonna get royally embarassed when some team decides to play the trap on us, while riding a hot goalie.


Call me a skeptic, but I just keep thinking back to the different dimensions we had back in Salt Lake City.

Biggest things we're missing seems to be the clutch guys that Sakic, Yzerman, Lemieux were.
Did you even watch the game? Or did you just watch highlights?

With all due respect, your comment is *basically* 100% wrong. The team proved on the ice today they will be a hard working, multifaceted group. Like Mike Babcock said "Our hard work will lead to skill revealing itself." and they showed that tonight.

All the "cute plays" came on the backs of guys working hard, winning board battles and setting the tone.

And as Yzerman also said (as he envisioned), he wanted to craft a team that can play "200 feet".

The roster is littered with excellent 2 way players, young dynamic talent, guys who can play away from the puck, guys who can win faceoffs and hit. Generally speaking the team has at least 3 different players who can all change momentum without have the puck on their stick.

We don't need a Maltby, Cleary, Smyth or what have you... that proved to be a failure last time. This is the Olympics, you ice the absolute best roster you think you can, **** the "specialists".

These guys indeed play a 200 foot game, and even if they don't win the Gold, I'm confident - even after seeing this one game against Norway - that they will finish with a medal. There are absolutely no weak spots on the team, and I think Yzerman has done something very good in picking players who already have chemistry with each other coming into the tournament.

By the way, virtually any roster Canada produces in a tournament will be an "All-star team". To say they just threw this team together without thinking is flat out wrong, given the debacle at Torino. Our boys mean business this time around, period.


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Crosby have around 2 points in the 7 game SCF against Detroit?
correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't he the second highest scorer after malkin? oh and where was malkin during the series against the caps where crosby dominated every facet of every game? he got a hat trick in a game where ovechkin did the same because he wouldn't let ovechkin get the better of him. crosby's compete level is a notch higher than probably anybody's on the roster

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Well we can argue and debate for weeks (and already have) about which players deserve to be on the team but there's no doubt it's an All Star team. As others have pointed out... they have a combined salary of $125+ million. There aren't any chumps on there. They are in my mind the favourites for the Gold medal but I'm most fearful of a team like Sweden... I just think they will play well as a team together and are THE team to beat.

Any top team can win the Gold... Canada,Sweden,Russia,Finland,Czechs,USA all have a legit shot if things fall their way but just from watching the first few games game and projecting where the teams may be 2 -3 games from now as they gel more... I have to say that I think Canada has a great shot at Gold.

I also watched the entire game of Russia vs Latvia as well... Russia won it in the end in a romp... BUT they looked nowhere near as good as Canada defensively. Latvia scored 2 goals and with some luck(and a bit more finishing talent) could have scored at least a couple more.

I think Russia may not perform near as well as some people think they will if they can't get their defensive game together better. Don't get me wrong... they are a killer team offensively but they can be beaten when they face teams with more offensive power like Sweden/Canada.

Canada and Russia can both put pucks in the net but I think Canada has the edge defensively. USA was clearly less than dominating against Switzerland so they need to do a lot of work (as all teams do) on their familiarity with each other and finding their chemistry.

Should be an entertaining Olympics though and will make a nice break from watching the Oilers lose 50 games in a row.

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My worry with the Men's team (Canada's) is the potential for bad penalties - and ill timed ones at that. There are a few hot heads on the ice; against a team like Russia this could indeed be a factor.

And I am going to say it: I like having Pronger on "my side" again (admittedly, he is one of those I am worried about taking a bad penalty). He may be an @$$, but he is good at what he does - and will make players pay for gaining 'our' zone. As does Weber, etc.

And there is some physicality up front as well... I never looked into the average size vs. other teams, but Canada appears to be quite a large team.

That being said, I hope - and will be pleasantly surprised if - Canada takes the Gold in Men's Hockey.

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I have always been a fan of Thoresen as a core 3rd line player...

Do you believe Patrick Thoresen should be offered a 2 year contract at $1 million per season????
Given Thoresen's parting shots directed towards the NHL in general (and the Oilers in particular IIRC) after he went back to Europe, I would be surprised to ever see him back in North America, especially for a relatively pedestrian contract offer like that.

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Maybe what I'm saying came out wrong (I apologize if that's the case). But I think we're missing a few key ingredients of a championship team (I understand there are many ways to construct a championship team).

But if we're up 1-0 against russia going into the final 3 mins, does our strategy change? Do we even have the personnel to change our strategy? Are we going to go for goal #2, or hang onto that lead with the tightest Defence that can effectively render an Ovechkin Datskyuk Kovalchuk line completely useless?

The so-called specialists we sent to Turin were awful. Maltby Draper were 2 of the worst +/- players on Detroit that year and went simply based on reputation. Bertuzzi the 'power-forward' was absolutely awful that season and on a very sharp decline after the Moore incident.


There's a HUGE difference between sending a -9 Kirk Maltby on a STACKED Detroit team, vs a +19 Selke winning Peca on a mediocre islanders roster.

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