my point is in this kind of system even average goalies are made look great.
And Dryden, Plante, Roy, Hall, Hasek, Parent... cmon..
2nd or 3rd greatest goalie of all time
?? Just my opinion guys.
Not taking away from how long hes played and how consistant... but again IMO.. Put a Richter or a ___fill-in-the-blank___ with the devils through the years and you'd be talking about that same goalie as "greatest ever". The Devils TEAM has always been 2nd to the great Marty and I think that is not fair.
it's the system - one that somehow they've kept in place for 16 years, several coaches and numerous defensive and forward personnel. And here I am thinking that one of the successful cogs to the system was the one thing that has been constant throughout that entire period, and that's the goalie.
To be honest, this is always a tough thing to evaluate. When it comes to goaltending, too often people say put Joe Schmo in there and he'll return equal results. Put Lundvist in a better defensive system and he automatically will become better. I don't believe that's always the case. Some goalies stand on their own, some are product of the system. Some goalies have a style that's best suited for certain systems. Perhaps Marty couldn't survive behind the Rangers' swiss cheese. Perhaps he would thrive. Perhaps Lundqvist couldn't get used to the angles and feels more comfortable moving around a bit and maybe he still gives up a soft goal or two. Perhaps he doesn't have as many 5+ goal games, but perhaps he still doesn't get as many shutouts, as to me, shutouts have about as much to do with the goalie's mental attitude as anything else in many cases. Even in a tight defensive system you're going to face a tough shot here and there, and again, you can always give up that third period goal while up 3-0, which, while meaningless, leads to the loss of a shutout.
I'm going to say one more time: both organizations are lucky to have the goaltender they have. Neither would trade either for each other. Both are great. Lundqvist, though, still has a ways to go to be considered in Marty's company. If you want to consider this season, or recent seasons, then you have to consider them to be near equals, with the nod going to Lundqvist for Rangers fans and to Marty for Devils fans.
Looks like the Devil fans have chimed in... Parise currently leading the forwards, Gaborik is 2nd and Kovy is 3rd. Andy Greene leading defenseman followed by Marc Staal and Paul Martin. Marty has taken the lead on Lundqvist and the Isles' goalies don't matter...