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04-23-2004, 03:56 PM
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Why are Sens fans so Down on Kolzig?

It seems like all Sens fans hate the guy. I mean you guys do realize that this is the man they targeted last season, and there is a 90% chance they are going to target him again in the offseason. You all may want to come to terms with the fact that there is a good chance he is going to be a Senator next year, and that a pretty good player is going to the Caps in return.

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To answer your question: because we don't think he's really that good.

Edit:

To expand, look at the guys stats.

2003-04 Washington NHL 63 19 35 9 3738 180 1958 2 2.89 .908
2002-03 Washington NHL 66 33 25 6 3894 156 1925 4 2.4 .919
2001-02 Washington NHL 71 31 29 8 4131 192 1977 6 2.78 .903
2000-01 Washington NHL 72 37 26 8 4279 177 1941 5 2.48 .909
1999-00 Washington NHL 73 41 20 11 4371 163 1957 5 2.23 .917
1998-99 Washington NHL 64 26 31 3 3586 154 1538 4 2.57 .900
1997-98 Washington NHL 64 33 18 10 3788 139 1729 5 2.2 .920


Not blown away... sv% and GAA are pretty mediocre apart from 97-98 and 99-00 and even then its not mind blowing stuff.


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To answer your question: because we don't think he's really that good.
Fair enough

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It seems like all Sens fans hate the guy. I mean you guys do realize that this is the man they targeted last season, and there is a 90% chance they are going to target him again in the offseason. You all may want to come to terms with the fact that there is a good chance he is going to be a Senator next year, and that a pretty good player is going to the Caps in return.
as said before i think they would target HASEK as he he is FREE and has a history with Muckler before looking at Kolzig who is overpaid and would cost some form of asset.

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Senators fans may recognize the names Joel Kwiatkowski, Jason Doig, Josef Boumedienne, John Gruden, all of whom were top six defensemen the past two years on the Caps. Hell, I actually like Boumedienne --as a project-- but these guys stink.

Kolzig's numbers are not that impressive, but his defense explains a lot. Kolzig still managed to win games all on his own. With Ottawa's defense, his numbers improve tremendously... and Kolzig has always been solid in big games.

Hasek? Isn't he dead yet? Seriously, this guy is going to retire during the lockout. Again. Unless he quits on his team mid-season first. Again.

Bringing in Hasek is not a good way to improve somewhat fragile team chemistry. Muckler has said that chemistry is one thing that needs work.

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as said before i think they would target HASEK as he he is FREE and has a history with Muckler before looking at Kolzig who is overpaid and would cost some form of asset.
I think they would look to Lalime comming back than to Hasek. Talk about barking up the wrong tree.

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I personnally dont mind the idea of Kolzig coming to the sens. I dont think he's the anwser but that's just me. Plus I dont like the return that the caps are expecting for him, Vermette is a guy i'm just too high on to see leave and this is from even before the playoffs. I think getting Gerber from Anaheim would be a good move but again that's just me. I see Kiprusoff like potential from him.

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You also have to consider the fact the the Sens have a pretty good young tender in the system. So i think a verteran who can play for 2 or 3 more years is what the Sens need. Someone who can not only help them win a cup, but help Emery become the goaltender he can be. Kolzig can do that.

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Kolzig is about the same goalie as Lalime imo..except he's a tad bit more consistent. I don't think Kolzig would've let either of those goals in vs the Leafs and we could very well be playing the Flyers right now.

That being said...I'd rather get an ELITE goalie somehow. No, not Dominik Hasek who shouldn't have come out of retirement in the first place. I don't see why we can't catch a damn break with goalies Looking at Kiprusoff, and what Calgary traded for him..makes me cry..

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Originally Posted by Spezza
To answer your question: because we don't think he's really that good.

Edit:

To expand, look at the guys stats.

2003-04 Washington NHL 63 19 35 9 3738 180 1958 2 2.89 .908
2002-03 Washington NHL 66 33 25 6 3894 156 1925 4 2.4 .919
2001-02 Washington NHL 71 31 29 8 4131 192 1977 6 2.78 .903
2000-01 Washington NHL 72 37 26 8 4279 177 1941 5 2.48 .909
1999-00 Washington NHL 73 41 20 11 4371 163 1957 5 2.23 .917
1998-99 Washington NHL 64 26 31 3 3586 154 1538 4 2.57 .900
1997-98 Washington NHL 64 33 18 10 3788 139 1729 5 2.2 .920


Not blown away... sv% and GAA are pretty mediocre apart from 97-98 and 99-00 and even then its not mind blowing stuff.
have you seen his playoff numbers?
2002-03 Washington NHL 6 2 4 - 404 14 192 1 2.07 .927
2000-01 Washington NHL 6 2 4 - 375 14 153 1 2.24 .908
1999-00 Washington NHL 5 1 4 - 284 16 103 0 3.38 .845
1997-98 Washington NHL 21 12 9 - 1351 44 784 4 1.95 .944
1995-96 Washington NHL 5 2 3 - 341 11 178 0 1.93 .938
1994-95 Washington NHL 2 1 0 - 44 1 22 0 1.36 .955

his career playoff gaa is 2.14 and his sv % is .930. when you consider the percentage of those games that were played against mario, jagr, kovalev, nedved and company in pittsburgh, those numbers are outragious.

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Kolzig might be a good goalie but he is far too expensive in terms of salary and the Capitals asking price. No Sens fan wants to give up good young guys like Vermette or Volchenkov for a guy who isn't a clear cut elite goalie.

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Kolzig might be a good goalie but he is far too expensive in terms of salary and the Capitals asking price. No Sens fan wants to give up good young guys like Vermette or Volchenkov for a guy who isn't a clear cut elite goalie.
Didn't he win the Vezina like 3-4 years ago?

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Didn't he win the Vezina like 3-4 years ago?
1996 Vezina Winner Jim Carey - need I say more? Not that Kolzig is bad or a fluke, it is just that I don't think he has lost his elite status.

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You never know though. If Kolzig moves on to a new team he could regain his vezina form. Look what a change in uniform did for Belfour.

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Sure, maybe he will. Maybe he won't. Certainly not interested at the price of Volchenkov or Vermette tho. Thats a lot of salary and if he does bomb your never going to move it. While a guy like Gerber would maybe cost the sens a 2nd on draft day. Even after that game 7, I don't feel that Kolzig is a significant upgrade on Lalime.

A new goalie coach *might* just be able to turn him around. I don't feel Kolzig adds much and certainly not Volchenkov or Vermette.

Considering the stuttering nature of the goalies this year in terms of consistency - Lalime (obvious), Prusek (good night, bad night) Emery (not as good as last years effort in the AHL). The goalie coach is obviously a factor here.

If Lalime isn't coming back, Prusek should be allowed to run with it, Emery should back him up and they should stay with the hot hand until december and evaluate it at that time. Emery might beat Prusek out or Prusek might emerge as a dominant goalie - doesn't cost you good guys off your roster. Perhaps Phil Myre simply couldn't get it down with the guys, maybe going full time with the goalie coach was just a bad idea.

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Sure, maybe he will. Maybe he won't. Certainly not interested at the price of Volchenkov or Vermette tho. Thats a lot of salary and if he does bomb your never going to move it. While a guy like Gerber would maybe cost the sens a 2nd on draft day. Even after that game 7, I don't feel that Kolzig is a significant upgrade on Lalime.

A new goalie coach *might* just be able to turn him around. I don't feel Kolzig adds much and certainly not Volchenkov or Vermette.

Considering the stuttering nature of the goalies this year in terms of consistency - Lalime (obvious), Prusek (good night, bad night) Emery (not as good as last years effort in the AHL). The goalie coach is obviously a factor here.

If Lalime isn't coming back, Prusek should be allowed to run with it, Emery should back him up and they should stay with the hot hand until december and evaluate it at that time. Emery might beat Prusek out or Prusek might emerge as a dominant goalie - doesn't cost you good guys off your roster. Perhaps Phil Myre simply couldn't get it down with the guys, maybe going full time with the goalie coach was just a bad idea.
Are the Senators going to try and win a Cup anytime soon? Because there not going to do it with inconsistant or rookie goaltenders. You may want to get a guy with good playoff numbers, just a suggestion.

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Come on, Kolzig's been inconsitent himself. Lalime has great numbers in the playoffs as well but he's still probably going to be let go for melting down. Lets not kid ourselves either: what has Kolzig really done in the playoffs? He had one great run but did he actualy win a series outside of that?

Frankly, another thing that worries me is that we'd be bringing another cap to the sens. These two teams should be banned from trading with each other. It just always sucks for one side. I understand that Kolzig's kid has autism and I would imagine that it would be very difficult to disturb the kids routine. Saying that, the move isn't impossible (Van Allen's kid has autism too I think). I believe Cassidy had a go at Kolzig about it just before he got sacked as well (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...cassidy.fired/). You may think this is unfair to bring up, but don't underestimate how disappointed people feel about Bondra and how we don't remember how upset he was to leave the caps organisation. I don't want the Sens to repeat the same mistakes.

I don't want to give up stud players for a huge question mark. I'd rather ship the old part of the core and start again.

Kolzig isn't the right move for Ottawa.

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Are the Senators going to try and win a Cup anytime soon? Because there not going to do it with inconsistant or rookie goaltenders. You may want to get a guy with good playoff numbers, just a suggestion.
you are working oftely hard trying to sell kolzig. are you ouellet's agent?

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Come on, Kolzig's been inconsitent himself. Lalime has great numbers in the playoffs as well but he's still probably going to be let go for melting down. Lets not kid ourselves either: what has Kolzig really done in the playoffs? He had one great run but did he actualy win a series outside of that?

Frankly, another thing that worries me is that we'd be bringing another cap to the sens. These two teams should be banned from trading with each other. It just always sucks for one side. I understand that Kolzig's kid has autism and I would imagine that it would be very difficult to disturb the kids routine. Saying that, the move isn't impossible (Van Allen's kid has autism too I think). I believe Cassidy had a go at Kolzig about it just before he got sacked as well (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...cassidy.fired/). You may think this is unfair to bring up, but don't underestimate how disappointed people feel about Bondra and how we don't remember how upset he was to leave the caps organisation. I don't want the Sens to repeat the same mistakes.

I don't want to give up stud players for a huge question mark. I'd rather ship the old part of the core and start again.

Kolzig isn't the right move for Ottawa.
To repeat, Kolzig has only been inconsistent as his defense corps steadily imploded over a couple of years. He still was dazzling on occasion, but overcome his defense on a regular basis? No one, not Brodeur, not Belfour can do that. But give an elite goaltender a solid defense, like Ottawa has a solid defense, and Kolzig shines.

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you are working oftely hard trying to sell kolzig. are you ouellet's agent?
I never said they should get Kolzig, i just asked why everyone is so negative about him. When i said are the Sens ever going to try and win a cup, i never mentioned Kolzig. It just amazes me how guttless ottawa is. GO FOR A CUP. To do that you are eventually going to have to grow some balls and give up a good young player to get something back. But i guess if the Ottawa fans are happy losing to Toronto ever year.

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I never said they should get Kolzig, i just asked why everyone is so negative about him. When i said are the Sens ever going to try and win a cup, i never mentioned Kolzig. It just amazes me how guttless ottawa is. GO FOR A CUP. To do that you are eventually going to have to grow some balls and give up a good young player to get something back. But i guess if the Ottawa fans are happy losing to Toronto ever year.
Settle down son, you are going overboard. We are as happy losing to Toronto as you will be that the caps will suck for the next 10 years. The fact of the matter is thatKolzig is overpaid and I think that is why nobody wants to give up a good youngster for him. It is not like we are talking about a 4 million dollar goalie here, he makes $6/per (with all the future uncertainty coming, picking up that contract is a bad idea).

BTW, for all those throughing Gerber's name out there, did anyone think about Garon (Mtl)? Everytime I see that guy play he is extremely solid, the next kipper?

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i like kolzig, he has been one of my favourite goalies, i would take him in an instant, but not at the price the caps supposidly wanted, and the money he is paid. specially in the expected new economic universe, i dont wanna be paying this guy 6 per. he is a was and is a great goalie. but not at the price he is being paid.

as for who i want in nets. i dont really know. there is alot of good suggestions out there, and alot of possible interests. one that does have my attention is marc denis,he had a .918 save %, and 2.58 gaa on a columbus that is not that good. imagine what he could do behind a defence like ours? garon does interest me, but would montreal want to trade their back up goalie to a division rival, and risk having it come to bite them in the butt?

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The truth of the matter with Olaf Kolzig is that his play is so up and down, much like a hooker's underwear on pay day. He needs some consistency. I mean, he has a fabulous season and then stinks in the playoffs. Then, he has a so so season and an awesome playoffs. You see the routine. I call it the Jason Allison syndrome. You just never know what you're going to get from Olaf one season to the next. I'd like to see him work with a real goaltending coach...someone like Allaire.

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The truth of the matter with Olaf Kolzig is that his play is so up and down, much like a hooker's underwear on pay day. .

Gosh you're witty. Make your next priority getting in touch with reality.


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