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02-17-2010, 04:02 PM
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I've said this before.

You do not, I repeat, do not trade generational talent like Cody Hodgson for overpaid one dimensional PP specialists like Kaberle.
Pack smaller bowls.

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In terms of skill level, obviously thats not true, but in terms of the economics of the game, and taking into consideration Hodgson's potential, why would any team do this?
Whether or not he'll ever achieve his potential will remain in question due to the back injury and his skating so I don't see any team ever trading an all-star calibre defenceman straight-up for a prospect with a wonky back and questionable skating.

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Kaberle is getting old, and will demand 6+ mil once his contract is up. The canucks already have a lot of money locked down on the Sedins and Luongo, and not to mention Kesler is a key RFA for them this next year.
Well yeah, old man Kaberle should start looking for a retirement home in Florida since he's the ripe old age of 31 (soon to be an astonishingly-ancient 32). I mean, hell, he might only have another 6 or 7 years left in him with the style of hockey that he plays.

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Having a guy like Hodgson on his rookie contract is going to be huge for the canucks, especially if Hodgson can step in soon and play for them. (IMO he's better than Wellwood).
Now this part I certainly agree with and it's what every team will have to keep in mind in the post-lockout era. Cheap young talent that can replace more expensive parts that can in turn be traded for either better roster fits (to address areas of weakness) or draft picks/prospects to maintain the cycle.

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Ah yes, the classic "Any team which gets the best player, wins the deal" argument.

There is more to a deal than just the players involved, you take into consideration how the team is playing, the cap situation, etc.... hence THE ECONOMICS of the game.

If the Leafs were a playoff team, this offseason, would you give up Schenn or Kadri for a d-man who is getting old, and has only 1 year on his contract, who will more than likely ask for a big raise once his contract is up?

Don't be silly.
If you think your team is closing in on a cup, and the player you're getting is one of the best in the league at what he does... and has one of the best contracts in the league...


yes.

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Kaberle is a great Dman...but cmon..1 year left????
he's a guy that sj or chi would trade for if they needed his services......

Vancouver gives away their best prospect (who has finally recovered and is playing very well) for 1 year of a no.1 dman.

If Vcr had intention to resign him ....then maybe....but even then I dont think Vcr wants him at 6million.

If Kaberle had a 2 or 3 full years left on the contract he has now then Vcr would have to ADD a 1st or somethign like that.....but as it stands now.... You dont give away your best prospect for 1 year of a very good dman when you are not ideally positioned to make a run for a cup.

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I find it real funny that no Leaf fan has assumed they'll be a first round pick going with Hodgson.

Anyways I've had enough of these rumours between the Leafs and Canucks.

Not only do both franchises hate each other but the fan bases don't like each other either (at least on here they don't).

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Well, the article does give a possible reason... he hand Vancouver's management haven't been very happy with eachother... and he did have that injury... and he doesn't have the best footspeed, which could be a big impediment for him making the NHL...

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see this trade (though a lot of that may be for the Nucks fans inevitable flip-flopping on both Hodgson and Kaberle) but Kaberle for Hodgson is hardly one sided. Especially for a team that thinks it can compete.
As much as i wish this was the case, anyone with a brain could see how the media made a spin on Hodgson's comments.

The guy who wrote the article is probably a user on HF, and is just speculating everything in that article.

Even still, lets say that Hodgson is available, why would the canucks deal him for Kaberle? there are 28 other teams who would probably be interested in Hodgson and who could probably give up younger assets who are cap friendly.

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Ah yes, the classic "Any team which gets the best player, wins the deal" argument.

There is more to a deal than just the players involved, you take into consideration how the team is playing, the cap situation, etc.... hence THE ECONOMICS of the game.

If the Leafs were a playoff team, this offseason, would you give up Schenn or Kadri for a d-man who is getting old, and has only 1 year on his contract, who will more than likely ask for a big raise once his contract is up?

Don't be silly.
02-Jul-08 Signed as an unrestricted free agent by the Detroit Red Wings.
26-Feb-08 Atlanta Thrashers traded Marian Hossa and Pascal Dupuis to the Pittsburgh Penguins for Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen, Angelo Esposito and a 1st-round selection in 2008.

You'd be surprised what a team will move if they think they have a shot at a cup.

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In terms of skill level, obviously thats not true, but in terms of the economics of the game, and taking into consideration Hodgson's potential, why would any team do this?

Kaberle is getting old, and will demand 6+ mil once his contract is up. The canucks already have a lot of money locked down on the Sedins and Luongo, and not to mention Kesler is a key RFA for them this next year.

Having a guy like Hodgson on his rookie contract is going to be huge for the canucks, especially if Hodgson can step in soon and play for them. (IMO he's better than Wellwood).
excellent point. trying to find the reverse trade to explain the deal (ie. Toronto gives up a low-cost blue chip prospect (Schenn?) for expensive yet very useful Vancouver pro (Mitchell?) in this deal both objects are less valuable than the initial proposed elements yet may illustrate the reluctance of either team to contemplate such a proposal.

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oh, and if I'm Mike Gillis, I hang up the phone unless Burke finds a way to put away his ego and sweeten the deal for Vancouver with a Jeff Finger or Mike Komisarek.
like I thought

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You guys are going to be laughing at yourselves when Hodgson is in the NHL tearing it up with 80+ points rookie season and a consistent 90-100 point career with Selke level defense.

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excellent point. trying to find the reverse trade to explain the deal (ie. Toronto gives up a low-cost blue chip prospect (Schenn?) for expensive yet very useful Vancouver pro (Mitchell?) in this deal both objects are less valuable than the initial proposed elements yet may illustrate the reluctance of either team to contemplate such a proposal.
Schenn has less value than Hodgson?

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If you think your team is closing in on a cup, and the player you're getting is one of the best in the league at what he does... and has one of the best contracts in the league...


yes.
1 word... Kovalchuk.

If Kovalchuk fetched that much, Kaberle sure as hell won't fetch anything better, regardless if Kovalchuk already played more than half the season.

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Kaberle is getting old? LOL

This thread is going places.

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I've said this before.

You do not, I repeat, do not trade generational talent like Cody Hodgson for overpaid one dimensional PP specialists like Kaberle.
wait what ?

and the comment at 80+ rookie season lmao

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Makes sense.

Not wasting cup contending years by giving up a player who's in no way contributing to the squad at the present moment for a huge upgrade on the blueline.

Kind of like the Iginla for Nieuwendyk deal.

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I've said this before.

You do not, I repeat, do not trade generational talent like Cody Hodgson for overpaid one dimensional PP specialists like Kaberle.
No serious...What?

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1 word... Kovalchuk.

If Kovalchuk fetched that much, Kaberle sure as hell won't fetch anything better, regardless if Kovalchuk already played more than half the season.
I'd take the package Kovalchuk fetched over what's being discussed here... and with Kovalchuk, you know he's going to go for 9M+, you know that you're going to have to compete with every other team in the league for him, and you've only got him for 1 playoff run.

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oh, and if I'm Mike Gillis, I hang up the phone unless Burke finds a way to put away his ego and sweeten the deal for Vancouver with a Jeff Finger or Mike Komisarek.
A Jeff Finger? Sure. Take him

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1 word... Kovalchuk.

If Kovalchuk fetched that much, Kaberle sure as hell won't fetch anything better, regardless if Kovalchuk already played more than half the season.
Considering you were talking about economics? No their is a difference. Yes Kaberle only has a year left but its still cap friendly at (4.25) for a damn good top pairing defense man. He is still worth a top 6 forward + 1st by a value estimation. Now thats what I believe. Similar to what most believed Phaneuf would go for but he went for a bunch of second liners mostly due in part to his value being low and a high cap hit.

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Schenn has less value than Hodgson?
Well obviously. This is HFBoards, where prospects > good young players that have actually made the NHL.

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I've said this before.

You do not, I repeat, do not trade generational talent like Cody Hodgson for overpaid one dimensional PP specialists like Kaberle.
I'm not sure I'd be calling Hodgson generational yet.

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02-Jul-08 Signed as an unrestricted free agent by the Detroit Red Wings.
26-Feb-08 Atlanta Thrashers traded Marian Hossa and Pascal Dupuis to the Pittsburgh Penguins for Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen, Angelo Esposito and a 1st-round selection in 2008.

You'd be surprised what a team will move if they think they have a shot at a cup.
Are you seriously trying to tell me what Pittsburgh gave up for Hossa is worth more or even the same as Hodgson?

Even the same for Kovalchuk, NJ didn't even give up there top prospects in Tedenby and Josefsson for Kovy.

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You guys are going to be laughing at yourselves when Hodgson is in the NHL tearing it up with 80+ points rookie season and a consistent 90-100 point career with Selke level defense.
Are these posts serious?

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Well obviously. This is HFBoards, where prospects > good young players that have actually made the NHL.
lets see.. Schenn was drafted higher, has done more, actually likes and is liked by his organization, and hasn't had any real major injuries.

Hodgson is clearly more valuable.

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Just doesn't make sense, Canucks can't afford Kaberle now, let alone next season, and they need cheaper roster players which Hodgson might be. If this problem with management is serious, then he'll likely be dealt in a prospect/young player swap. Not to TO for Kaberle. People seem to think Vancouver can take on salary, they can't.

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