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90s Legends: Selanne, Fedorov, Jagr, et al (merged)

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02-18-2010, 11:36 AM
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Fedorov is nothing special for his age. Thereīs alot of better players 35+ yo in the NHL today Alfredsson, Selanne, Lidstrom,Brodeur etc.

Fedorov had 260gp 52g 108a 160p after the age 35

some examples of current older players in the league:
Selanne 290gp 145g 145a 290p
Alfredsson 201gp 81g 131a 212p
Whitney 207gp 68g 118a 186p

edit. those are totals for 35+ scoring
35 year old + maybe not, but how many of those players are in their 40s?

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02-18-2010, 11:41 AM
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Last time i checked Jagr was from the Czech Republic.

Anyways here are the seasons Jagr won Art Ross:

94-95 70p - Fedorov had 50p = 20p differential
97-98 102p - Fedorov had 17p = 85p differential
98-99 127p - Fedorov had 63p = 64p differential
99-00 96p - Fedorov had 62p = 34p differential
00-01 121p - Fedorov had 69p = 52p differential

Do you really think Fedorov would have challenged Jagr for Art Ross if he didnīt "sacrifice offense for winning"?

On topic:

Fedorov is nothing special for his age. Thereīs alot of better players 35+ yo in the NHL today Alfredsson, Selanne, Lidstrom,Brodeur etc.

Fedorov had 260gp 52g 108a 160p after the age 35

some examples of current older players in the league:
Selanne 290gp 145g 145a 290p
Alfredsson 201gp 81g 131a 212p
Whitney 207gp 68g 118a 186p

edit. those are totals for 35+ scoring
Making this Russian team at the age of 40 is great to me. Their forward core is just all talent.

And I wasn't referring to Jagr, I was referring to you, because of the Selanne comment in the other thread. Unless of course you are Jaromir himself....:shifty eyes:

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02-18-2010, 11:42 AM
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35 year old + maybe not, but how many of those players are in their 40s?
Selanne is 7 months younger and Lidstrom 4 months younger than Fedorov.


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02-18-2010, 11:43 AM
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Making this Russian team at the age of 40 is great to me. Their forward core is just all talent.

And I wasn't referring to Jagr, I was referring to you, because of the Selanne comment in the other thread. Unless of course you are Jaromir himself....:shifty eyes:
He made this Russian team cause they wanted to pick alot of KHL players for promotion and political reasons.

edit. You didnīt answer my question about the Art Ross

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02-18-2010, 11:52 AM
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He made this Russian team cause they wanted to pick alot of KHL players for promotion and political reasons.

edit. You didnīt answer my question about the Art Ross
I don't buy it. I don't think a national squad like Russia picks a team based on promotion and political reasons. I think they pick based on who is going to win.


And I think he could have challenged for sure, but it would be hard to beat because Jagr's numbers are so staggering. He's probably the most offensively gifted player I've ever seen exclusively.

But I said I put Fedorov ahead of Jagr because he did sacrifice scoring for winning. Is that so hard to understand?

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02-18-2010, 12:00 PM
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Recchi played 15 games in 88-89

Schneider played 4 games in 87-88

Rob Blake possibly did, as he played 4 games in 89-90

Mike Modano played the full 89-90 season

Rod Brind'Amour played the full 89-90 season

I guess there are more than I thought.

Fedorov? He was 20 years old in 88 so that's old enough.

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I don't buy it. I don't think a national squad like Russia picks a team based on promotion and political reasons. I think they pick based on who is going to win.


And I think he could have challenged for sure, but it would be hard to beat because Jagr's numbers are so staggering. He's probably the most offensively gifted player I've ever seen exclusively.

But I said I put Fedorov ahead of Jagr because he did sacrifice scoring for winning. Is that so hard to understand?
Yeah it is... You are the first person I know who puts Fedorov ahead of Jagr All time. Fedorov never had the offensive skills to even challenge Jagr.

Fedorov has had 28 points in 49 games in the KHL. Promotional purposes or not, he most certainly didnīt make the team because of his present form.

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02-18-2010, 12:08 PM
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Yeah it is... You are the first person I know who puts Fedorov ahead of Jagr All time. Fedorov never had the offensive skills to even challenge Jagr.

Fedorov has had 28 points in 49 games in the KHL. Promotional purposes or not, he most certainly didnīt make the team because of his present form.
So that's what determines how great a player is, their offensive skills?

Is that what you are getting hung up on? Their numbers?

I wasn't arguing who was a better forward, just who was a better overall hockey player.

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02-18-2010, 12:12 PM
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So that's what determines how great a player is, their offensive skills?

Is that what you are getting hung up on? Their numbers?
So Fedorov in your opinion is the same player defensively as he was in his prime? Thereīs alot of better players Russia could have picked.

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I wasn't arguing who was a better forward, just who was a better overall hockey player.
And 99 out of 100 people would pick Jagr over Fedorov as the better player.

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02-18-2010, 12:17 PM
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So Fedorov in your opinion is the same player defensively as he was in his prime? Thereīs alot of better players Russia could have picked.
No, maybe they picked him because he's still a good overall hockey player at the age of 40? Go back through the posts again, I never said he's a great player at the age of 40. I was just defending him in terms of making the team and seeing his play the other day.

I think you are making my point here, Fedorov as a two-way player is playing on the most stacked offensive team in the tournament at the age of 40.

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02-18-2010, 12:19 PM
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And 99 out of 100 people would pick Jagr over Fedorov as the better player.
K maybe it's a little advantageous to say, I was saying who I personally think best exemplifies the term "hockey player"

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02-18-2010, 12:29 PM
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Yeah it is... You are the first person I know who puts Fedorov ahead of Jagr All time. Fedorov never had the offensive skills to even challenge Jagr.

Fedorov has had 28 points in 49 games in the KHL. Promotional purposes or not, he most certainly didnīt make the team because of his present form.
Yes he did. There were really no other strong candidates for the #4 centre position. Tereschenko is having a weak year and Zinoviev is a better fit on the ZZM line anyway. Yashin is slow, and despite his solid season, would be hard to fit with other players unless Sushinsky would be brought along. Fedorov only gets 10-12 minutes of icetime anyway and can do everything that is expected of him. He is Russia's ultimate versatile player for 20 years and counting.

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By the end of the tournament you might wish his name was Kovalev.

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For a short spurt, he still has the juice.

For an 82 game season?

No.

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So are Lidstrom and Selanne at 39 - nothing special.
These guys are obviously not great and special players.

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90s Legends Tracker: Selanne, Fedorov, Jagr, et al

Most people are excited to see the 90s legends back in action for these games. This thread is to keep track of how many points they have and how they are doing in general.

Please let me know if you wish to have a 90s superstar added, I may have missed some.

Also mods, please feel free to update this thread yourselves if I go MIA following a Russia or Canada game.


90s Legend Tracker


1. Sergei Fedorov - 2 Pts, +2

2. Jaromir Jagr - 2 Pts, +1

3. Teemu Selanne - 1 Pts, Even

4. Nicklas Lidstrom - 0 Pts, Even

5. Peter Forsberg - 0 Pts, Even

6. Zigmund Palffy - 0 Pts, -1

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Most people are excited to see the 90s legends back in action for these games. This thread is to keep track of how many points they have and how they are doing in general.

Please let me know if you wish to have a 90s superstar added, I may have missed some.

Also mods, please feel free to update this thread yourselves if I go MIA following a Russia or Canada game.


90s Legend Tracker


1. Sergei Fedorov - 2 Pts, +2

2. Jaromir Jagr - 2 Pts, +1

3. Teemu Selanne - 1 Pts, Even

4. Nicklas Lidstrom - 0 Pts, Even

5. Peter Forsberg - 0 Pts, Even

6. Zigmund Palffy - 0 Pts, -1
brodeur?

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Brodeur hasnt played yet, he will be there when he does.

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Yeah it is... You are the first person I know who puts Fedorov ahead of Jagr All time. Fedorov never had the offensive skills to even challenge Jagr.

Fedorov has had 28 points in 49 games in the KHL. Promotional purposes or not, he most certainly didnīt make the team because of his present form.
Heck yeah he did. He outperformed Terschenko and guys like Frolov to make this team.

Fedorov was top 3 in +/- in the KHL when the Russian team was picked in December, and is still in the top 10. (I know as a Jagr fan you might not realize the importance of defence ) His defence, experience, and faceoff skills are needed by Team Russia.

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For a short spurt, he still has the juice.

For an 82 game season?

No.
Exactly. He can play on top level for 7 games, 10-12 min per game

when people stop rating players based only on NHL season?
3rd liner, my ass

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Pronger and Nidermayer

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Selänne is the best of em. A true olympic hero.

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Pronger an Niedermayer to an extent, but not to the same degree as these guys.

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Selänne is the best of em. A true olympic hero.
yeah..he won his gold ages ago .. oh wait

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