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Team Switzerland - Why so few NHLers?

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02-18-2010, 08:02 PM
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Team Switzerland - Why so few NHLers?

Wow, this team is surprisingly good. People kept writing of the Turin game as a fluke but it was not. This is a very good team. They are routinely beating Canada to the pucks. Their sticks are very active. They are constantly picking off shots, creating turnovers. Canada is having difficulty carrying the puck into the zone and even dumping it in.

With only Streit and Hiller on the Swiss team being NHLers, I'm very surprised we don't see more of these guys in the NHL. They are competing very well on NHL sized ice and the North American game and standing up to Canada's superstars. The coaching by Kruger is great as well aside from the many undisciplined penalties the Swiss are taking.

How is Swiss hockey that good? Is there a tradition of good hockey in Switzerland like in Sweden? Or is it all the Canadian ex-pats? I am very surprised we haven't seen most of these guys in the NHL. From how they are holding off Team Canada, I'd venture they could even slot in for one of the 25-30 ranked NHL teams and be competitive.

Just for fun, comparing the teams, Team Canada is nearly @ $170 million in salary and with over 350 NHL goals. The Swiss team is likely around $10 million in salary only with only 8 NHL goals!

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Switzerland is ranked 7th in the world. I don't think anyone thought they were pushovers.

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Switzerland is ranked 7th in the world. I don't think anyone thought they were pushovers.
I'm not saying that they are pushovers. I am wondering why there aren't well represented in the NHL. They seem perfectly adept at the NA game.

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the most underrated hockey nation in the past 5 years. the US needed a couple of individual efforts to beat them. now Canada has a tough time against'em.

great team, playing like it's a game 7

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I'm not saying that they are pushovers. I am wondering why there aren't well represented in the NHL. They seem perfectly adept at the NA game.
They play a really sound game of hockey and their players buy into the system. I don't think the Swiss are the most talented group of players, so maybe that's why they aren't more represented in the NHL.

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Switzerland is ranked 7th in the world. I don't think anyone thought they were pushovers.
Well except for Canada, I'm happy this game is early because this team needed a good slap in the face: They are no where near as superior as they (or the fan) think they are.


* BTW, I think Canada gets gold, but this team isn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better than the other teams in this tournament, and they need to relies this.

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They're better at the international game than the NHL game. Some have tried to come over and then went back just because it didn't work out (or work out fast enough). The Swiss can play -- in their settings.

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Im guessing more stay in Switzerland cause they can make a ton of money there too and they live in their home country

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Switzerland strikes me as a pretty tough country to leave for a lot of players. High standard of living, picturesque environs, good money (probably), negligible travel schedule, brand of hockey that suits them better.

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With how well they are holding off Canada with their tactics and coaching and teamwork and amazing ability to pick off so many passes, I think teams like the Oilers might as well firesale their whole team and sign the Swiss team (minus Hiller and Streit) for pennies. These guys are probably making much less than NHL salaries per year in the Swiss league and would play for the NHL salary floor. What is the pay like in the Swiss league?

I think they'd make a very adept NHL team. Is it just the international game being a little less physical? They seem fast and tough enough too.

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Im guessing more stay in Switzerland cause they can make a ton of money there too and they live in their home country
Exactly. I think more would come over if they got 1-way contracts.

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Don't they often play together as a team? They probably have more chemistry and a game plan compared to teams of all-stars.

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This is TSN's estimate of average salaries at the end of 2007

1. Russia: $400,000
2. Sweden: $200,000
3. Switzerland: $170,000
4. Germany (DEL): $150,000
5. Czech Republic: $100,000
6. Slovakia: $75,000
7. Finland: $67,000

Is this still true today with the KHL being around?

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maybe canada and USA just ****ed up by bring a bunch of "gritty" players instead of loading up on guys who can score.

Both teams pass up on bringing top offensive players. They never learn the lesson, hot goalies & trappy D bring you down in short tournaments, this isn't the NHL playoffs.

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Im guessing more stay in Switzerland cause they can make a ton of money there too and they live in their home country
This could very well be the case. It is financially much more lucrative to play in the Swiss league than to play in the minors and fight your way up to the big league and earn the big paycheck.

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This is TSN's estimate of average salaries at the end of 2007

1. Russia: $400,000
2. Sweden: $200,000
3. Switzerland: $170,000
4. Germany (DEL): $150,000
5. Czech Republic: $100,000
6. Slovakia: $75,000
7. Finland: $67,000

Is this still true today with the KHL being around?
Are these numbers pre- or post-taxes?

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maybe canada and USA just ****ed up by bring a bunch of "gritty" players instead of loading up on guys who can score.

Both teams pass up on bringing top offensive players. They never learn the lesson, hot goalies & trappy D bring you down in short tournaments, this isn't the NHL playoffs.
The US didn't have much trouble with the Swiss..it wasn't a blowout but they were clearly the better team, so what do you mean they messed up? They've won both games.

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i thought only good players play in the NHL?

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This is TSN's estimate of average salaries at the end of 2007

1. Russia: $400,000
2. Sweden: $200,000
3. Switzerland: $170,000
4. Germany (DEL): $150,000
5. Czech Republic: $100,000
6. Slovakia: $75,000
7. Finland: $67,000

Is this still true today with the KHL being around?
Russia is more now in the KHL. Not sure if pre tax but 13% tax in Russia if i recall.


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Swiss League is definitely one of the best in Europe. A lot of internationals play there (Czechs, Swedes, Finns, Canadians...) plus their team are usually good in European Champions League...not mentioning few international successes of their junior...

Not underdogs and Canada is not so dominant, as many, especially NA people, think when they look at the rosters...

For me favs are Swe and Russia...Canada will be lucky to have any medal

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i thought only good players play in the NHL?
I guess it is sarcasm...especially when you are Russian:-)

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I guess it is sarcasm...especially when you are Russian:-)
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Are these numbers pre- or post-taxes?
I'm guessing it's pre-tax. How are taxes in Switzerland? They can't be as high as in Sweden. Don't most Swedish players (even in the NHL) have to give up like half their salary like ABBA?

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Because the NLA is an underrated league.

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