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04-26-2004, 07:17 PM
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Proposed Offseason Moves

do not tender offers to bure or arnott

trade kapanen for a mid-round draft choice, and pursue craig conroy(ufa) to address the needs of speed, size, leadership, and face-off specialist in one package. offer 3yrs for $6mil

trade down in the draft with the NYR. they have 2 firsts and 3 seconds, and i would take their 25th and 48th picks for the stars 20th pick. this would replace one of the second rounders that armstrong traded away, and sather would probably use this avenue to move up to nab chipchura or smid.

take a flyer on johannes salmonsson in rounds 2-3. he is very skilled, but his bad shoulder will affect his draft standing. there's some risk here, but i think the extra pick from the NYR would allow some room for error.

trade dan ellis. he has more value now than he ever will (IMO), and he has a lower ceiling than stephan or bacashihua. yes, ellis is more consitent, but there is far less of a chance that he will come back to haunt you.

trade mike modano. i was for trading modano last off season, as my friends can atest, and i still feel that ottawa is the best place for him. they are in a win now situation, are needing to make a serious splash with their disgruntled fan base, and now have the owner who is both willing and able to pull off such a trade. yes, dallas would be trading from a point of weakness, but now is the time as their front office seems to be fed-up with both spezza and bonk.

what do ya'll think

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04-26-2004, 08:40 PM
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Hicks isnt gonna make any free agency moves I can almost guarantee it. I would prob agree with the trade down scenario, though I have a feeling Radulov could drop, and I'd hate for the Stars to miss out on him because of dropping down. Mezsaros and Graham are also picks the Stars should look at. The end of round 2 to round 3, doesnt matter too much in this thin draft, so if they are able to get Salmonsson then, all well and good. Modano has a 9 mill contract, and is the face of the franchise. No chance, firstly that we trade him, and secondly that Ottawa take on his contract. Whatever you feel about their situation no one will take big contracts with the current economic climate. The only way I even see us getting rid of Turgeon is paying a lot of his salary and taking back someone with a longer but lesser contract, say 3 mill for 4 years, and we pay a couple mill.

Its possible if we have a soft salary cap, that big expiring contracts will become valuable commodities like in the NBA, to get relief from luxury taxes, though the model might not be exactly the same I dont know. Its one thing to hope for though, even though our big ones still have a few more years left on them.

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04-26-2004, 08:58 PM
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I agree, trading down would most likly be a good choice. I also think that Madono should go. He was 6th in scoring this year on the team. I believe that they should look at getting someone younger, yet not skimming down too much on the skill.

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do not tender offers to bure or arnott

trade kapanen for a mid-round draft choice, and pursue craig conroy(ufa) to address the needs of speed, size, leadership, and face-off specialist in one package. offer 3yrs for $6mil

trade down in the draft with the NYR. they have 2 firsts and 3 seconds, and i would take their 25th and 48th picks for the stars 20th pick. this would replace one of the second rounders that armstrong traded away, and sather would probably use this avenue to move up to nab chipchura or smid.

take a flyer on johannes salmonsson in rounds 2-3. he is very skilled, but his bad shoulder will affect his draft standing. there's some risk here, but i think the extra pick from the NYR would allow some room for error.

trade dan ellis. he has more value now than he ever will (IMO), and he has a lower ceiling than stephan or bacashihua. yes, ellis is more consitent, but there is far less of a chance that he will come back to haunt you.

trade mike modano. i was for trading modano last off season, as my friends can atest, and i still feel that ottawa is the best place for him. they are in a win now situation, are needing to make a serious splash with their disgruntled fan base, and now have the owner who is both willing and able to pull off such a trade. yes, dallas would be trading from a point of weakness, but now is the time as their front office seems to be fed-up with both spezza and bonk.

what do ya'll think

* Would not trade Kappanen. He had a horrible season, but I would be very patient with any younger players, especially with some offensive talent. Given some confidence from the coach, I think he will have a much better season.

* Hesitant on trading down this year, as they need premier talent, more likely to be first. If they showed more inclination on taking risks on scoring potential, I'd feel more comfortable, but I would hate to see an extra pick squandered on another Crombeen when there are snipers with greater potential available.

* Agree, trading Ellis would make sense. They are short a place to play all 3 minor league goalies from the past season.

* I would definitely be on-board with trading Modano. It would be total chaos on the Dallas boards! Hundreds would swear to never attend another game of any Hicks-owned team. It would also accelerate developing a strong, young core. After the performance he mailed in last season, he is not the character model type of veteran I want to lead the youngsters.

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04-26-2004, 10:53 PM
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Would probably tender Arnott as I think he has substantial value around the league

Would keep Kapanen as cheap depth would still look at Conroy

Ellis is alot like Tugger who is smallish and will be around for awhile because he is a good guy but I agree he is no more than a backup.

Modano and a pick for Havlat, Modano to NYR or Boston?

No real need to trade down if a scorer is available, but also for taking a top d-man as Daley looks to me like a pp specialist at best. Also have Columbus second which is a high pick. I would consider trading up for a top player at either wing or defense

Never saw Salmonsson what position?

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04-26-2004, 11:49 PM
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Trading Modano is stupid. Ask any GM in the league. What short short memories you guys have. Gainey said every guy is gonna have a bad year, no one in the league will have 15 good ones. Modano will be fine, and he wont be traded. He will retire here.


If anything the Stars need to get a high draft pick, very high, someone for Modano to pass the Mantle to. An impact rookie that can step in next year and contribute. Preferably a offensivly CREATIVE winger, not one that just knows how to shoot. We dont have any creative wingers.

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04-27-2004, 12:12 AM
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Radulov fits the bill. Hope we can get him. And a trade for Havlat too, or Spezza. That would be a perfect set up for this youth movement.

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trade mike modano. i was for trading modano last off season, as my friends can atest, and i still feel that ottawa is the best place for him. they are in a win now situation, are needing to make a serious splash with their disgruntled fan base, and now have the owner who is both willing and able to pull off such a trade. yes, dallas would be trading from a point of weakness, but now is the time as their front office seems to be fed-up with both spezza and bonk.

what do ya'll think
If i'm not mistaken, Modano's only signed through next year. Ottawa's not going to give up top notch young talent for a player only signed through a probable lock-out year @ 9 million. He also had a no-trade clause, not sure if that was extended through next year.

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good point on the no trade. however, to address the idea that trading modano is stupid, i couldn't disagree more. yes, he is the face of the franchise, and thats the problem. he plays so uninspired that it literally made me ill. if we are to truly change the course of this franchise, then mo must go. i'm not as concerned about the return, maybe i'm crazy there, but if a shake-up is needed then my belief is that it starts here.

my fear is that modano is just going through the motions, and that hockey will soon be in his past. yes he still has ability, but his desire to fight through the clutching and grabbiing of today's NHL is gone. why not get something for him while we still have an outside chance?

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Next year could even be his last except he now needs the money so my guess is that you are right he will go through the motions like Oates , Gilmour and others until he reaccumulates his nest egg. And as far as I am concerned he can do it elsewhere although until the labor agreement is done he has no value. Perhaps he will at the trade deadline to a contender

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A fair trade would be Madono for Jokienen(sp?) and maybe throw in a very low draft pick. But thats just my opinion.

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A fair trade would be Madono for Jokienen(sp?) and maybe throw in a very low draft pick. But thats just my opinion.
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And why would Florida do that? They aren't close to challenging for the cup, so why trade their young #1 center, for one year of Modano? Makes no sense. The teams that would be interested in Modano are the cup contenders, teams that need that extra boost to get them over the top.

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Radulov fits the bill. Hope we can get him. And a trade for Havlat too, or Spezza. That would be a perfect set up for this youth movement.
Yeah Radulov is the guy I am really hoping we somehow get in this years draft. We NEED a dynamic young prospect.

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Yeah Radulov is the guy I am really hoping we somehow get in this years draft. We NEED a dynamic young prospect.
radulov would be nice, but since leading the U18 WJC in scoring his stock has soared. don't expect him to last past pick #13, as RLR already has him in their top 10.

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We would definitely have to trade up to get him, but if this is possible to do, we shouldnt hesitate to drop some salary to get him. This will be a little harder to do this year though.

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Trading Modano is stupid. Ask any GM in the league. What short short memories you guys have. Gainey said every guy is gonna have a bad year, no one in the league will have 15 good ones. Modano will be fine, and he wont be traded. He will retire here.


If anything the Stars need to get a high draft pick, very high, someone for Modano to pass the Mantle to. An impact rookie that can step in next year and contribute. Preferably a offensivly CREATIVE winger, not one that just knows how to shoot. We dont have any creative wingers.
You took the words right outta my mouth....WHY WOULD YOU TRADE MODANO?? Oh...one bad season...lets trade our FRACHISE PLAYER!! Give me a break...everyone who wants to trade Modano...what kinda Stars fans are you?? SERIOUS!! The guy had a tough year...everyone has one...lay off the guy already.

I'd also like to see us try and move up in the draft as well. Some good young talent avaliable to get out there.

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If anyone should be traded it is Jere. He is getting old and has trouble staying healthy. He hast played a full season in a while and is on the backside of his career. He is still a good player, granted but you can see where he is headed.

His contract is small and has 2 years left on it. Most teams would love to have him, like the NYR. And they draft 4th overall.

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If anyone should be traded it is Jere. He is getting old and has trouble staying healthy. He hast played a full season in a while and is on the backside of his career. He is still a good player, granted but you can see where he is headed.

His contract is small and has 2 years left on it. Most teams would love to have him, like the NYR. And they draft 4th overall.
Another bad idea...lets trade our best defensive forward....great...so what kinda team are we gonna be next year with no Franchise Player and Defensive Player of the year??? HMMMMM????

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Another bad idea...lets trade our best defensive forward....great...so what kinda team are we gonna be next year with no Franchise Player and Defensive Player of the year??? HMMMMM????

I said keep Modano, trade Jere. He is fragile and getting old. But his trade value is high. He is our most tradeable player right now...team needs a shake up.

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Im sorry but do you people really think we are still going to be one of the top teams in the league? You are wrong. This is a youth movement, and when you talk about rebuilding, winning comes second. It is all about the future. These players arent gonna be around for 15 years, what we are doing is changing our team to safeguard for life after Modano, Guerin, Zubov etc. If moving Modano or Lehtinen is for the betterment of the team into the future, then you have to make the moves. This sentimental crap a lot of us have for players will get us nowhere.

Ive said on another board, that I would trade any of our players, in a deal that included Havlat and Spezza. Yeah that includes Turco and Morrow. Obviously not both but any one of our top players. Why? Because winning for the next few years, is not going to be a top priority. Just look at the Rangers (they arent doing too badly this year though, but it wont last). Havlat and Spezza would give us a base to build our franchise around for the next two decades. Both are future superstars, and point per game players.

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I said keep Modano, trade Jere. He is fragile and getting old. But his trade value is high. He is our most tradeable player right now...team needs a shake up.
If Jere and Arnott brings Havlat and Pothier or Volchenkov, I'm in

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In my honest opinion no player should be untouchable for the right deal.

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In my honest opinion no player should be untouchable for the right deal.

Agreed even Gretzy was traded

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If they trade Modano...I'm pretty DAMNED sure that Ottawa would be on the horn for him.

He had ONE bad season...sweet jesus...he's been mr. consistant for a few years if my memory doesn't fail me.

God...I'd give you Havlat and Bonk for the guy...

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Im sorry but do you people really think we are still going to be one of the top teams in the league? You are wrong. This is a youth movement, and when you talk about rebuilding, winning comes second. It is all about the future. These players arent gonna be around for 15 years, what we are doing is changing our team to safeguard for life after Modano, Guerin, Zubov etc. If moving Modano or Lehtinen is for the betterment of the team into the future, then you have to make the moves. This sentimental crap a lot of us have for players will get us nowhere.

Ive said on another board, that I would trade any of our players, in a deal that included Havlat and Spezza. Yeah that includes Turco and Morrow. Obviously not both but any one of our top players. Why? Because winning for the next few years, is not going to be a top priority. Just look at the Rangers (they arent doing too badly this year though, but it wont last). Havlat and Spezza would give us a base to build our franchise around for the next two decades. Both are future superstars, and point per game players.
Were not gonna get Spezza. A new coach in Ottawa is gonna give Spezza a chance to play. He would be stupid not to.

Sentimental Crap?? No....Modano should retire a Star. He is to the Stars what Yzerman is to the Red Wings. Players who have been with one team their whole career and it should stay that way with Modano.

I don't see trading Jere as an answer either. I think Arnott and Bure could be traded. Arnott for sure. Some team looking for a big center will be looking for that.

I agree we need to get younger and look to the future, but trading the "franchise" is not the answer.

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