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02-22-2010, 10:02 AM
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His salary is 8 million next year and 5 million the year after. It's not un-doable but that 8 million is a huge number. I think he would fit in well on the team though, his salary would just be out of whack with his role.
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This is what I was saying last night. I don't want him at current numbers, but I'd love it if he came back for realistic money after his deal is up.

He's still my favorite Sabre.
I could see them still kicking those tires -- it doesn't seem like the Rangers are going to continue to build and it might be interesting to see Drury as a possible "Barnes" role (both Stu and Platoon) as a third line specialist. He's got his Cup, he's captained his boyhood team in what looks like a dream-turned-nightmare scenario...

Eh. Granted, the wheels may be completely off that effort wagon by that point too.

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Was awesome to see him and Miller after the game, they looked so pumped.
As a Sabres fan with fond memories of those special 2005-07 seasons, it definitely was a little emotional to see - I remember the postseason exit interviews after the 2006-07 season ended and how emphatic Miller was that either (or both) Briere and Drury needed to be re-signed. I haven't read outright admissions of such in recent interviews with Miller but I suspect that Drury was a key influence in Miller's own maturity process and how he has handled the leadership role he's now in on the Sabres.

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But I can't help but think Drury would be a bit better here than he is on Broadway. I think he's in such a rut and the fans have turned on him so much there that there's no going back. He needs a change of scenery.
FWIW, if anyone watched the "Captains Driven" segment on the NHL Network about Drury (I think there are still some scheduled airings this week), Drury admitted to Chris Simpson that New York was the only place he would have ever considered leaving Buffalo for in 2007 (which makes those LA rumors we heard about that summer because of Drury's Manhattan Beach summer home seem even more strange in hindsight). In the interview (which must have been taped sometime during the 2007-08 season, his first in NY), he spoke very fondly of Ruff, Regier, Roy, Pominville, Briere and Miller. It sounded very sincere and not self-serving at all.

The sad reality is that Drury's contract would be the biggest obstacle to any fantasies of his return - he'd either need to be bought out (which seems like a long-shot at best, though one can never underestimate the impatience of the cash-happy Ranger ownership) or become an UFA after his contract expires (when Drury turns 35 - an age that I would suspect Drury may decide to retire at).

If that day were ever to arrive with the possibility of Drury being free of his contract and willing to leave NYC, I also wonder about the Larry Quinn-factor. My sense from how the whole fiasco in 2007 happened is that Drury probably begrudges Quinn more than Regier for not being resigned - despite his denials to the same, Quinn was the one who didn't follow up on the offer the Sabres gave Drury in the fall of 2006 and Quinn was also the one pulling the strings on letting Briere dangle in the wind without any talks or offers (something Drury hinted at being upset over).

Just as I always lamented the Sabres' decision to let another great leader from their past (Peca) go, I still resent the decision the Sabres made to let Drury go.

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FWIW, if anyone watched the "Captains Driven" segment on the NHL Network about Drury (I think there are still some scheduled airings this week), Drury admitted to Chris Simpson that New York was the only place he would have ever considered leaving Buffalo for in 2007 (which makes those LA rumors we heard about that summer because of Drury's Manhattan Beach summer home seem even more strange in hindsight). In the interview (which must have been taped sometime during the 2007-08 season, his first in NY), he spoke very fondly of Ruff, Regier, Roy, Pominville, Briere and Miller. It sounded very sincere and not self-serving at all.

The sad reality is that Drury's contract would be the biggest obstacle to any fantasies of his return - he'd either need to be bought out (which seems like a long-shot at best, though one can never underestimate the impatience of the cash-happy Ranger ownership) or become an UFA after his contract expires (when Drury turns 35 - an age that I would suspect Drury may decide to retire at).

If that day were ever to arrive with the possibility of Drury being free of his contract and willing to leave NYC, I also wonder about the Larry Quinn-factor. My sense from how the whole fiasco in 2007 happened is that Drury probably begrudges Quinn more than Regier for not being resigned - despite his denials to the same, Quinn was the one who didn't follow up on the offer the Sabres gave Drury in the fall of 2006 and Quinn was also the one pulling the strings on letting Briere dangle in the wind without any talks or offers (something Drury hinted at being upset over).

Just as I always lamented the Sabres' decision to let another great leader from their past (Peca) go, I still resent the decision the Sabres made to let Drury go.
Lament Quinn/Regier's idiotic decision NOT to sign a contract extension that Drury agreed to, and to let him become a free agent. The top brass were too worried that it would hurt Danny Boy's feelings heading into the playoffs...

after he became a free agent, Buffalo DID match NYs offer, and Drury choose his childhood team...

id still take him back in a heartbeat.

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Eh. Granted, the wheels may be completely off that effort wagon by that point too.
History has shown that the Quinn-Regier regime is very reluctant to ever revisit their past, much less acknowledge mistakes in personnel decisions. Other than trading for Audette as a rental in 2001, Regier's never tried to go back and acquire a player he had previously. There were reports that he was talking to Peca in the 2008 offseason about possibly coming back but it never went anywhere.

The grudge factor seems to always be a valid point when Quinn's in the picture IMO. McKee never got a fair offer because he apparently angered Quinn with outspoken comments during the lockout against the NHL owners, and similar incidents with Briere apparently alienated him in Quinn's mind as well. Quinn certainly sounds like he regrets losing Drury in interviews that he's done since 2007 but I wonder if Drury has buried the hatchet yet. The way things in NY have gone for him, it wouldn't surprise me if Drury secretly regrets ever being forced to leave Buffalo.

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Lament Quinn/Regier's idiotic decision NOT to sign a contract extension that Drury agreed to, and to let him become a free agent. The top brass were too worried that it would hurt Danny Boy's feelings heading into the playoffs...

after he became a free agent, Buffalo DID match NYs offer, and Drury choose his childhood team...

id still take him back in a heartbeat.
There was never any indication that they were shielding Briere at all. He PO'd Quinn when he won his arbitration award and the ill-will from the managing partner never went away. Trying to put it on Briere... that's thin.

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Lament Quinn/Regier's idiotic decision NOT to sign a contract extension that Drury agreed to, and to let him become a free agent. The top brass were too worried that it would hurt Danny Boy's feelings heading into the playoffs...
That's part of what I meant about resenting the Sabres - the way the whole thing played out from start to finish was pathetic.

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after he became a free agent, Buffalo DID match NYs offer, and Drury choose his childhood team...
By that time, it was already too little, too late. Drury clearly viewed Briere as an equally important co-leader and didn't like the prospect of being the winner of an either-or choice by the Sabres. Plus, after watching how the Sabres let one of their captains (Briere) twist in the wind without any offer until days before the deadline so it would be human nature to not wonder if the Sabres would eventually do the same to him, were he to accept their matching offer. He already saw some signs of indecision with their withdrawn offer eight months earlier.



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id still take him back in a heartbeat.
As would I, although not at his current contract. Drury brings a lot of intangibles but paying that huge of a salary would prevent the team from keeping/acquiring other players that contribute in other ways.

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There was never any indication that they were shielding Briere at all. He PO'd Quinn when he won his arbitration award and the ill-will from the managing partner never went away. Trying to put it on Briere... that's thin.
I think what Jame was referring to was that, according to Quinn's and Regier's explanations in the summer of 2007, the offer to Drury in the fall of 2006 was never finalized because the organization wanted to "remove the distraction" of extending one player and not anyone else on the team. They claimed that were they to re-sign Drury then and not give a similar offer to any of the other pending UFAs in 2007 (Biron, Numminen and Mair but of which Briere was the other high profile player), it would have disrupted team chemistry for the balance of the season. It was a self-serving, lame excuse as usual.


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I think what Jame was referring to was that, according to Quinn's and Regier's explanations in the summer of 2007, the offer to Drury in the fall of 2006 was never finalized because the organization wanted to "remove the distraction" of extending one player and not anyone else on the team. They claimed that were they to re-sign Drury then and not give a similar offer to any of the other pending UFAs in 2007 (of which Briere was the other high profile player), it would have disrupted team chemistry for the balance of the season. It was a self-serving, lame excuse as usual.
The word you are looking for here is "political".

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I don't think Drury begrudges the Sabres at all, he just wanted to play for the Rangers more. He'd been traded all around the league and wanted to pick his destination for once.

As for management bringing back guys who spurned them in the past, how about Grier?

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Lots of 'ifs' here but IF we don't fold up like a cheap map and IF Drury is bought out and IF Mike Griere is re-signed then MAYBE there would be a chance that this reunion could be talked about. Drury's not coming back here under that contract and he would have to be convinced by Griere and Miller that this team was worth his returning to.

Given the high amount of angst we've all gone through over this squad in the past 8 weeks that all sounds kinda thin to me. But, given the holes in our lineup/pipeline, he would be a good lower 6 fit.

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History has shown that the Quinn-Regier regime is very reluctant to ever revisit their past, much less acknowledge mistakes in personnel decisions. Other than trading for Audette as a rental in 2001, Regier's never tried to go back and acquire a player he had previously. There were reports that he was talking to Peca in the 2008 offseason about possibly coming back but it never went anywhere.

The grudge factor seems to always be a valid point when Quinn's in the picture IMO. McKee never got a fair offer because he apparently angered Quinn with outspoken comments during the lockout against the NHL owners, and similar incidents with Briere apparently alienated him in Quinn's mind as well. Quinn certainly sounds like he regrets losing Drury in interviews that he's done since 2007 but I wonder if Drury has buried the hatchet yet. The way things in NY have gone for him, it wouldn't surprise me if Drury secretly regrets ever being forced to leave Buffalo.
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The Drury we saw on the ice against Canada last night wouldn't be the same Drury I'd expect to see back in a Sabres uniform. Just try asking any Rangers fan that, they'd tell you the same thing. Between his contract and his half-heartedness in games that don't REALLY matter (which is the majority in my opinion) then you don't get a good return frankly. That said, no deal, unless there's a serious underpayment for him or the Rangers eat up more than half his salary.

I disagree - and I've watched a lot of the Ranger games since Drury went to NY. I think the Ranger fans' and most everyone else's disappointment with Drury since his arrival there is focused much more on the disparity between his rich contract that pays him like a scorer and the actual production he provides in a checking/specialty teams player. I have no doubt that Sather was seduced by Drury's 30 and 37 goal seasons in Buffalo, heightened by his clutch playoff performance against the Rangers that spring, and thought Drury could be a # 1 or 2 center in NY for Jagr and Co.

Just as it did for a lot of players, the post-lockout style of play we all watched from 2005 - 07 benefited a lot of the smaller, faster players in the league and their offensive production. Just as Briere will probably never come close to another 95 point season, Drury will likely never get close to 30 (much less 40) goals as he did then. However, as a competitive player with solid defensive skills, reliable face-off abilities and specialty team experience, Drury is the kind of player every team that wants to win needs.

A lot of the offensive stars IMO that go to NY often end up underachieving, which adds to the pressure of players they bring in like Drury that are not offensive stars.

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Grier?
I stand corrected. Make that 2 reunions by Regier in 13 years.

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There was never any indication that they were shielding Briere at all. He PO'd Quinn when he won his arbitration award and the ill-will from the managing partner never went away. Trying to put it on Briere... that's thin.
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I think what Jame was referring to was that, according to Quinn's and Regier's explanations in the summer of 2007, the offer to Drury in the fall of 2006 was never finalized because the organization wanted to "remove the distraction" of extending one player and not anyone else on the team. They claimed that were they to re-sign Drury then and not give a similar offer to any of the other pending UFAs in 2007 (of which Briere was the other high profile player), it would have disrupted team chemistry for the balance of the season. It was a self-serving, lame excuse as usual.

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bad contract and all... id take him for the next two years

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I don't think Drury begrudges the Sabres at all, he just wanted to play for the Rangers more. He'd been traded all around the league and wanted to pick his destination for once.
We'll never know the real truths as outsiders that rely solely on what the media reports and what the principals reveal in interviews.

That said, Drury acknowledged in that NHLN interview how special Buffalo was to him during his time there - along with liking his teammates and admitting how much he learned from Ruff as a former captain (the Sabres were the first team Drury was a captain on in the NHL), he also noted that Buffalo was where his first two children were born. He certainly was attracted by the childhood dreams the Rangers presented but, had he been sincerely approached by the Sabres' management with a new contract before it ever got down to free agency - and Briere had been treated the same way - Drury strongly suggested to the Buffalo media that he would have stayed in Buffalo. For all of the statements that management made in public about how much they valued Drury and Briere, their actions didn't back that up. Hence, Drury started looking at other options. Who knows if the Rangers didn't come calling whether Drury would have moved on to another team or stuck with the Sabres.

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The word you are looking for here is "political".
In the world of Quinn-isms and CYAs, it would be.

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That was well after the fact when they were scrambling in the face of Bucky's column revealing what happened in-season. I don't believe Quinn any farther than you and Doak could throw him.... even if that was out a Hyatt window.

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That was well after the fact when they were scrambling in the face of Bucky's column revealing what happened in-season. I don't believe Quinn any farther than you and Doak could throw him.... even if that was out a Hyatt window.
If only a hotel bellboy that was a Sabres fan could get Larry Quinn near a window...

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That was well after the fact when they were scrambling in the face of Bucky's column revealing what happened in-season. I don't believe Quinn any farther than you and Doak could throw him.... even if that was out a Hyatt window.
i would be crowned king around here... my ranting and flamming would be limitless

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i would be crowned king around here... my ranting and flamming would be limitless
Forget the crown - you'd become the patron saint of all Sabre fans in the world

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i would be crowned king around here... my ranting and flamming would be limitless
Just be careful what you wish for. After all the devil you know...

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I don't think I am really interested in Drury at all anymore. Maybe for 1/4 to 1/3 of his salary.

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