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02-22-2010, 01:38 AM
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Getz is awesome, but in many ways he's a poor man's Joe Thornton. Yes, he won a cup, but he wasn't one of the top five skaters on his team when he did so...

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02-22-2010, 01:45 AM
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02-22-2010, 01:50 AM
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I can't believe a big offensive guy like LeCavalier wasn't picked. WHY wasn't he picked??

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02-22-2010, 01:53 AM
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Here's how I'd do it:

Stamkos Crosby Toews
Heatley Getzlaf Nash
StLouis Thornton Iginla
Marleau Carter Perry
Richards

Weber Doughty
Pronger Green
Keith Niedermayer
Bouwmeester

Brodeur
Luongo
Fleury

Brodeur and Pronger have been horrible, but I think under different circumstances they could have played well. If I knew they'd make the same mistakes again, I'd tell Brodeur to settle the hell down and not try to do too much, and I'd swap Pronger with Regehr.

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02-22-2010, 01:56 AM
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I can't believe a big offensive guy like LeCavalier wasn't picked. WHY wasn't he picked??
You serious?


At the time, nobody would've choosen him. He played his way off this team, then after the selections he started heating up.

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02-22-2010, 02:01 AM
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I think Stevie Y picked the right players they just have to play alot better starting Tuesday night against the Germans

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02-22-2010, 02:12 AM
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I think Stevie Y picked the right players they just have to play alot better starting Tuesday night against the Germans
I don't see how anyone can justify not picking Green. He's the canadian with most points in a season in like 15 years (probably since Borque), he has the best +/- of all defensemen this year, save Jeff Schultz (who might be his defense partner?). He's been solid in every way. The way I see it, there's no excuse for picking him over Boyle or Niedermayer, or even one of the more defensive guys like Seabrook.

There seems to me to be a poor balance in the team, and there are a few things in particular that's missing, namely speed and puck movers on defense.

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02-22-2010, 02:13 AM
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I'm still baffled as to why a few players were picked for their decorations, and not the game they have played this year (Pronger, Niedermayer, Brodeur, etc). Some of them were on bigtime cold streaks coming in to the Olympics and it's showing.

I've watched plenty of Marty Brodeur, and I don't think I've EVER seen him look so panicked in net.

(hindsight, etc etc.)

My biggest issue thus far is that the team doesn't even look that passionate on the ice. There's a level of cohesive-ness that seems to be missing.

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02-22-2010, 02:15 AM
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The Sharks line is obviously not going to take on that role as they are all soft offense first guys.
Marleau is a Selke contender, and Thornton is pretty good defensively. Heatley is kinda not great. Really though, they are all huge, and can land a big hit. So frustrating.

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02-22-2010, 02:17 AM
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Same team. Its coaching thats been the problem more than anything IMO.

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02-22-2010, 02:19 AM
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Nash is a giant loser. What a tease.
but...but...he won the Swiss Championship with Thornton during the lockout year.

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02-22-2010, 02:20 AM
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You serious?


At the time, nobody would've choosen him. He played his way off this team, then after the selections he started heating up.
Lecavalier's numbers have been on par with Getzlaf all season.

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02-22-2010, 02:22 AM
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Lecavalier's numbers have been on par or better then Getzlaf's all season.
Uh they have not. Only recently has Lecavalier started producing again.

And low production coupled with Lecavalier's tendency to be soft, skip shifts, and be a defensive liability is not what Canada needs.

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02-22-2010, 02:24 AM
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let's be reality, bergeron and perry are not team canada material

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02-22-2010, 02:26 AM
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Uh they have not. Only recently has Lecavalier started producing again.

And low production coupled with Lecavalier's tendency to be soft, skip shifts, and be a defensive liability is not what Canada needs.
Lecavalier has been close to a point per game all season, he wasn't scoring a lot, but neither has Getzlaf.

Getzlaf was horrible last night, just a straight up lazy player, errant passes all over the place, he needs to be way better.

When they chose the team at the end of December here's Getz's and Lecavalier's stats.

Getzlaf 38 GP 9G 31 A 40 PTS 1.05 PPG
Lecavalier 36 GP 9G 28 A 35PTS 0.97 PPG

Virtually no difference.


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02-22-2010, 02:27 AM
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I'm still baffled as to why a few players were picked for their decorations, and not the game they have played this year (Pronger, Niedermayer, Brodeur, etc). Some of them were on bigtime cold streaks coming in to the Olympics and it's showing.

I've watched plenty of Marty Brodeur, and I don't think I've EVER seen him look so panicked in net.

(hindsight, etc etc.)

My biggest issue thus far is that the team doesn't even look that passionate on the ice. There's a level of cohesive-ness that seems to be missing.
I think you hit it right there. Guys like Marty have won everything already. Olympic/Int'l experience is overrated. Canada maybe thought this was figure skating, bringing in players with reputations hoping to win style points.

Despite the loss, they sure looked good putting up 40+ shots.

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02-22-2010, 02:31 AM
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Out: Morrow, Seabrook, Perry, Bergeron

In: Fisher, Robidas, Stamkos, B. Richards

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02-22-2010, 02:33 AM
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as ive been saying along...

stamkos, st. louis, green.

leaving the leading PP scorer among fwds in stamkos and on defense in green?

having said that.. even though i was a proponent of these guys and questioned the selection of some members of the old guard (niedermayer, pronger)... the team's problems are deeper than just that.

lets hope team canada proves us wrong.

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02-22-2010, 02:39 AM
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Lecalavier has been close to a point per game all season, he wasn't scoring a lot, but neither has Getzlaf.

Getzlaf was horrible last night, just a straight up lazy player, errant passes all over the place, he needs to be way better.
I'm guessing you haven't watched many Lightning games this year. Stats, most certainly, don't tell the whole story. Too many nights, Lecavalier has looked soft, uninterested, and lethargic.

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02-22-2010, 02:42 AM
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Marleau, Thornton, Neidermayer, Pronger, Bergeron, Morrow OUT

Jordan Staal, Stamkos, Bouwmeester, Green, St. Louis, B. Richards IN


Having Green in the line-up isn't a huge deal when you know you can dress 20 skaters.

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02-22-2010, 02:42 AM
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To answer the OP, I'd leave it as is. With this kind of talent, there should be no "could haves" and "should haves". When you put together a lineup with this kind of firepower, it's up to the horses. A Mike Green here or a Steven Stamkos there isn't going to change the fact that your best players need to be your best players and, if the team fails, they should be held accountable.

If a small, 13th forward like Martin St. Louis or a high-risk defender like Mike Green is the answer to your team's woes, you weren't good enough to begin with. That said, the only loss Canada has earned, in this year's tournament, wasn't so much the fault of the players on the ice but, rather, the guy between the pipes. Pass the torch, Marty, the sun is setting...


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02-22-2010, 02:44 AM
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Getz is awesome, but in many ways he's a poor man's Joe Thornton. Yes, he won a cup, but he wasn't one of the top five skaters on his team when he did so...
Yeah...he was. He led all Ducks in points that run.

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In: St. Louis, Green
Out: Thornton, Seabrook

Keith is still amazing without Seabrook .. but without Keith, Seabrook is totally invisible.
St. Louis' compete level is through the roof. Just stay home Thornton
Without a doubt. I was shocked he was not selected.

Also, I like veterans but Neidermyer and Pronger, just look really slow and old. The game is so fast, you have no time, and a lot of the US turnovers came off of Canada D being too slow to react.

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02-22-2010, 02:45 AM
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I really like that 4th line, except I'd have Staal center it. I think Staal, Richards, and Doan could play a great puck possession game.

Though I'd get rid of Thornton/Marleau

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stamkos would be our second best forward behind only crosby, the guy is an amazing player

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