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02-22-2010, 03:00 PM
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All -Purpose Kaberle Thread, Ver. 1.0 (trades, re-signing, whatever)

IMO, a trade should be done on draft day with Kaberle. Potentially trading him to a team with a 10th overall pick or lower is better than trading him to a playoff team with a 15th-30th overall pick right?

Not that Kaberle is guaranteed to be traded at the deadline anyways, but with all the discussion about everyone wanting Kaberle traded at that time is silly.

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hard choice but i would say trade deadline (obv talking about this year)
teams can use him for a playoff run and still use him all of next year.
As apposed to having him as a rental player.
I see him getting traded to Boston march 3ed. makes too much sense.
To toronto:
2011 1st

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kab.

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The only time it makes sense is when the right package is offered.

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Depends what we want... although Kaberle is a very good player and worthy of a first rounder, he isn't a superstar, and no one likes losing their first round pick on draft day. But on deadline day you probably only get a player of equivalent value if you're taking on a bad contract.

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Now, definitely now, teams are more willing to over pay at the trade deadline than draft day.

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If he's willing to move now, then it has to be now. A team is likely to pay more for a dman who they will have for the playoff run this season and another full season, rather for a dman who is going into the final year of the contract if he is dealt at the draft. The biggest package would be at the deadline imo.

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Draft Day imo you dont trade Kaberle unless you can get a #1 center back and no team is gonna trade a #1 center at the deadline

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No team is gonna trade a #1 center for Kaberle, regardless of what time of year it is.

He has to be traded now. One and a half years of Kaberle > one year of Kaberle.

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hard choice but i would say trade deadline (obv talking about this year)
teams can use him for a playoff run and still use him all of next year.
As apposed to having him as a rental player.
I see him getting traded to Boston march 3ed. makes too much sense.
To toronto:
2011 1st

boston:
kab.
that would be a brutal trade for the leafs. the leafs need something tangible. i would be shocked if burke traded kabs for picks alone. im fairly certain we are done playing with boston but i would want someone like cobourne along with our first at a minimum and probably our 2nd from this year as well.

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I'd say tradeline for sure. Teams make deals at draft day, but it usually isn't the kind of frenzy you see around the trade deadline, because their attention is divided.

I think we get more for Kabs now, rather than the summer.

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hard choice but i would say trade deadline (obv talking about this year)
teams can use him for a playoff run and still use him all of next year.
As apposed to having him as a rental player.
I see him getting traded to Boston march 3ed. makes too much sense.
To toronto:
2011 1st

boston:
kab.
I concur on both counts. Kaberle should have more value at the trade deadline as the acquiring team will have him for 2 play-off runs. I also concur that Boston is a very logical trading partner as they obviously had an interest last summer and it would be hard to believe that has waned since Kaberle has had a great year. It also behooves Boston to ensure Toronto finishes as low as possible to maximize their 1st rounder this year. The 2010 2nd, the 2011 1st plus a prospect would do the trick for me.

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Since Burke can't trade him now then draft day is best.

Pretty easy.

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Since Burke can't trade him now then draft day is best.

Pretty easy.
Why say that given Strickland's comment? Of course he is going nowwhere if he does not want to but I do not understand your comment given the subject of the thread.

EDIT: Whoops, sorry I thought I was on the Strickland thread. Never mind.

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Since Burke can't trade him now then draft day is best.

Pretty easy.
Unless he agrees to waive so he can have some control over where he goes.

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sense.
To toronto:
2011 1st

boston:
kab.
And we get absolutely fleeced and end up with a mid pick in the worst draft in a decade. Well done.

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Now!!!

There's one team that might give us a centre.
druuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmm rolllllllllllll
Pitts J. Staal now.
Throw in Poni for whatever! Tang maybe.
Pitt gets scoring and great one two punch on PP1and2 (gonchar and Kabs)
And Pitt can let Gonchar walk and Kabs replaces him and signs ext. when he see's how much more fun it is to win!

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I have a feeling Kabs is gone at the deadline.

Burke is the kinda guy that tries to make moves keeping everyone's feelings in mind.

Being "honorable", as he puts it.

If Kabs does indeed does give Burkie some sort of list, Burke will trade him so that Kabs has a say in where he goes.

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Anyone else see it as bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy if we trade Kaberle for our 2011 1st back? I mean, if we trade him and all we get is that pick, there's not much that will help us get out of the basement. But if we can get a good young forward (hopefully someone who's physical), then maybe that'd help us next season...

As for the actual thread, it's probably more beneficial to deal him before the deadline, as long as we are getting something from one of those teams that we think we wouldn't be able to top from a different team (not on his list) at the draft.

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It only makes sense to trade Kaberle if the Leafs are getting a young, potential #1 centre or a young, potential 1st line powerforward.

That's the only time it makes sense.

If you can't get the above, you don't trade him. The worst thing this franchise can do is to trade him for B prospects and late 1st rounders.

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I think Burke is looking for a potential top 2 center in any Kaberle deal.

We'll see.

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Unless he agrees to waive so he can have some control over where he goes.
Kaberle will never be asked to waive according to Burke so what is this "agrees" stuff? Maybe "agrees" with the people who want him traded because trades are neato!

If Kaberle wants to leave and can dictate where he goes the return won't be as good as on draft day anyway.

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"I will not ask him submit a list or ask him to waive" Didn't Burke say this last year and Kabs did. Then the circus began. Has anyone thought about Burke and company saying the same thing this year, just a little bit louder so that the circus stays home?
With every intention of dealing Kabs (of course with Kabs permisson.)

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Kaberle will never be asked to waive according to Burke so what is this "agrees" stuff? Maybe "agrees" with the people who want him traded because trades are neato!

If Kaberle wants to leave and can dictate where he goes the return won't be as good as on draft day anyway.
I for one don't think Kaberle will be going anywhere this season, and possibly not in teh summer either.

But I think you're mistaken here: if Kaberle *does* (unilaterally) provide Burke with a list of teams, and Burke finds a trading partner, that partner should be prepared to pay *more*, both because they are getting him for two playoffs, and more importantly because Kaberle has already said he would be interested in going there, so there's less risk on their part of getting an unhappy asset.

Having said that, such a team might *think* they can hold Burke to ransom because there are only certain teams he can deal with prior to the summer, but the fact is Burke's under no pressure to make a move, so he's not going to agree to a lesser trade just because it happens to be what's on the table at the deadline.

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I for one don't think Kaberle will be going anywhere this season, and possibly not in teh summer either.

But I think you're mistaken here: if Kaberle *does* (unilaterally) provide Burke with a list of teams, and Burke finds a trading partner, that partner should be prepared to pay *more*, both because they are getting him for two playoffs, and more importantly because Kaberle has already said he would be interested in going there, so there's less risk on their part of getting an unhappy asset.

Having said that, such a team might *think* they can hold Burke to ransom because there are only certain teams he can deal with prior to the summer, but the fact is Burke's under no pressure to make a move, so he's not going to agree to a lesser trade just because it happens to be what's on the table at the deadline.
If he got no interest in Kaberle last year, which I believe BB said was the case, then he might make a deal sooner rather than later, if it were what he considers to be a solid offer. A previous lack of interest has to affect how he addresses the next trade discussions.

However, with the NTC in effect it is premature to talk about optimimum times to deal. A trade would be contingent on a list from TK being put unillaterally forward by TK. Then one of those clubs must have a strong interest and the right assets to discuss a deal. Until both those things have happened there is no deal now.

So I pick draft day. Now if we were talking about a player that could actually be dealt I agree two playoffs rather than one makes more sense.

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Trade him on draft day when Kesler is asking for 11 million dollars and then trade for him, drug Kesler and sign him to a 4 million dollar contract.

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