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02-24-2010, 01:54 PM
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Wow, it's amazing how much bashing is taking place in here with no one stating any type of FACTS.

He's nothing without Thorton or Heatley ?!?!?! (Someone please post his CAREER stats on here and shut up these negative sally's !!!)

As for the amount he's going to make. Well after July 1st, Toronto's going to have a lot of fat shed of the roster and a number of kids that can skate with the league minimum. Marleau has never signed a contract over 5+ years and will most likely sign for 6.5 - 7.5.

So why the heck not ?!?!

Well worth it. I hope this happens. My only fear is the relationship between Patty and Ronnie.

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Born Sep 15 1979 -- Aneroid, SASK
Height 6.02 -- Weight 220

Selected by San Jose Sharks round 1 #2 overall 1997 NHL Entry Draft

--- Regular Season --- ---- Playoffs ----
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
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1995-96 Seattle Thunderbirds WHL 72 32 42 74 22 5 3 4 7 4
1996-97 Seattle Thunderbirds WHL 71 51 74 125 37 15 7 16 23 12
1997-98 San Jose Sharks NHL 74 13 19 32 14 5 0 1 1 0
1998-99 San Jose Sharks NHL 81 21 24 45 24 6 2 1 3 4
1999-00 San Jose Sharks NHL 81 17 23 40 36 5 1 1 2 2
2000-01 San Jose Sharks NHL 81 25 27 52 22 6 2 0 2 4
2001-02 San Jose Sharks NHL 79 21 23 44 40 12 6 5 11 6
2002-03 San Jose Sharks NHL 82 28 29 57 33
2003-04 San Jose Sharks NHL 80 28 29 57 24 17 8 4 12 6
2005-06 San Jose Sharks NHL 82 34 52 86 26 11 9 5 14 8 (The Year Thornton arrived)

2006-07 San Jose Sharks NHL 77 32 46 78 33 11 3 3 6 2
2007-08 San Jose Sharks NHL 78 19 29 48 33 13 4 4 8 2
2008-09 San Jose Sharks NHL 76 38 33 71 18 6 2 1 3 8
2009-10 San Jose Sharks NHL 62 38 26 64 16 ( The Year Heatley arrived)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NHL Totals 933 314 360 674 319 92 37 25 62 42

Yes there is an increase, but even my point production would increase if I was skating with the likes of these guys (And I haven't skated in years !!!)
In other words, he was a perennial 50 point player until Joe Thornton, arguably the best playmaker in the NHL, arrived in San Jose.

He's a good complimentary player. Having said that, any team who signs him for $6.5-7.5 is going to vastly regret it in no time.

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02-24-2010, 02:01 PM
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Might as well wait a year and see if Big Joe leaves.

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He'd look great on a 2nd line with Kessel.

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02-25-2010, 08:57 PM
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The Marleau interest around here intrigues me.

I am not sure whether people here (and all Leaf fans for that matter), really want Marleau here because:

a) He is an elite player that people truly believe can help the Leafs out

or

b) because he is the only marquee name forward that remains as it stands, eligible for UFA.

I have a funny feeling that the latter enters the equation quite a bit in people's minds, more so than they care to admit.
This is why I belive most fans want to sign him.

I don't like buildig/retooling (whatever) a team that way. You get the guy you want as your #1 center, you do not just grab whoever is available. If it's for a 3rd string goalie or a goon type heavyweight, sure I can go along for that ride. But for your #1 center, I expect a little bit of due diligence to be done.

Marleau would not be my first choice as a #1, and I don't think he should be for the leafs either.

I do not mind waiting a few years to get the right guy, not just the guy we get stuck with.

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02-25-2010, 09:20 PM
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This is why I belive most fans want to sign him.

I don't like buildig/retooling (whatever) a team that way. You get the guy you want as your #1 center, you do not just grab whoever is available. If it's for a 3rd string goalie or a goon type heavyweight, sure I can go along for that ride. But for your #1 center, I expect a little bit of due diligence to be done.

Marleau would not be my first choice as a #1, and I don't think he should be for the leafs either.

I do not mind waiting a few years to get the right guy, not just the guy we get stuck with.
I think most fans are just tired of waiting for 5 years at this point. Another few? How dare you suggest that??

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02-25-2010, 09:56 PM
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This is why I belive most fans want to sign him.

I don't like buildig/retooling (whatever) a team that way. You get the guy you want as your #1 center, you do not just grab whoever is available. If it's for a 3rd string goalie or a goon type heavyweight, sure I can go along for that ride. But for your #1 center, I expect a little bit of due diligence to be done.

Marleau would not be my first choice as a #1, and I don't think he should be for the leafs either.

I do not mind waiting a few years to get the right guy, not just the guy we get stuck with.
He's a very good option as a #1 center until a better one becomes availalbe (either thorugh signing, trade or development), at which point he's already demonstrated he can be very effective on the wing, too. Out a big center between Marleau and Kessel, you've got a damn good line.

And since he doesn't cost you any other assets to acquire, it seems well worth it to me.

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02-25-2010, 10:05 PM
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The Marleau interest around here intrigues me.

a) He is an elite player that people truly believe can help the Leafs out

and

b) because he is the only marquee name forward that remains as it stands, eligible for UFA.
If either one of these were not true, we would not be talking about him. You can debate if he is elite, but as a UFA he may be available. I'm not certain he will be by July 1st though.

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02-25-2010, 10:47 PM
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In other words, he was a perennial 50 point player until Joe Thornton, arguably the best playmaker in the NHL, arrived in San Jose.

He's a good complimentary player. Having said that, any team who signs him for $6.5-7.5 is going to vastly regret it in no time.
It has already been mentioned that for Thorntons first season in SJ, Marleau did not play with him. Scott was the clubs second line center with Michalek and Bernier. That 86 point season is his alone, and if Cheechoo's scoring touch hadn't died they wouldn't have stuck him with Joe at all. I think that started in 08-09.

However the 48pt season did happen and I think that was his last season under Wilson. That doesn't mean I don't believe he can manage 80pts playing with Kessel, but that bad year might be a reason why we won't see him back on a Willson coached team.

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People expected Marleau to be the #1 man in San Jose before Thornton was there, he couldn't be that guy,

but as we all can see he is a dominant #2 guy on his team,

On the leafs our #1 guy is Philly K, he will be for years, Marleau can be another excellent #2 scorer on the Leafs,

play him wing like he plays now, Marleau - Bozak - Kessel, with Kessel on Marleaus line, there's not as much pressure to score all the goals, vice versa with Kessel,

he doesnt need to stress about scoring all the goals with another good goal scorer on his line, and IMO they will both score lots with less pressure and more support from their linemates

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02-26-2010, 11:15 AM
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KOVALCHUK MARLEAU kessel
stalberg bozek kulemin
sjostrom kadri hanson
lundmark mitchell orr

phaneuf schenn
beauchemin komisarek
------ gunnarson

giguere
gustavsson

adding: 15 million with kovalchuk and marleau
losing 15 million by :
dumping kaberle,poni,grab,stemp,primeau,wallin,exelby for picks - 13 mil ?
and then the waiver trick with finger and van ryn - 6 mil ?
an extra 3 or 4 mil. to get a skill D ?
that should do it

as a leaf fan i dont expect it to happen, because of so many letdown years
but this is a contending team is it not?
and yes 3 yrs down the road it could ruin us...but
its tempting..move marleau to the wing in a few yrs etc....

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02-26-2010, 11:26 AM
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would prefer 27 year old 17 G Plekanec. Very good fit on a needing leafs squad

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would prefer 27 year old 17 G Plekanec. Very good fit on a needing leafs squad
I don't dislike Pleks, but he doesn't have the size or defensive presence of Marleau, and he doesn't have the flexibility of switching to wing.

Of course, we could try for *both*, and throw in Malhotra for good measure... and move Grabosvky out with Poni, Stemps, Primeau, etc...

Marleau - Plekanec - Kulemin
Stalberg - Bozak - Kessel
Sjostrom - Malhotra - Hanson
Lundmark - Mitchell - Orr

... but that would leave no room for Kadri in a year or so. So I'd just as soon stick with Marleau (and Malhotra!) for now.

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02-27-2010, 12:03 PM
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Wow, it's amazing how much bashing is taking place in here with no one stating any type of FACTS.

He's nothing without Thorton or Heatley ?!?!?! (Someone please post his CAREER stats on here and shut up these negative sally's !!!)

As for the amount he's going to make. Well after July 1st, Toronto's going to have a lot of fat shed of the roster and a number of kids that can skate with the league minimum. Marleau has never signed a contract over 5+ years and will most likely sign for 6.5 - 7.5.

So why the heck not ?!?!

Well worth it. I hope this happens. My only fear is the relationship between Patty and Ronnie.

Edit: For all the Haters !!!

Patrick Marleau
Left Wing
Born Sep 15 1979 -- Aneroid, SASK
Height 6.02 -- Weight 220

Selected by San Jose Sharks round 1 #2 overall 1997 NHL Entry Draft

--- Regular Season --- ---- Playoffs ----
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
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1995-96 Seattle Thunderbirds WHL 72 32 42 74 22 5 3 4 7 4
1996-97 Seattle Thunderbirds WHL 71 51 74 125 37 15 7 16 23 12
1997-98 San Jose Sharks NHL 74 13 19 32 14 5 0 1 1 0
1998-99 San Jose Sharks NHL 81 21 24 45 24 6 2 1 3 4
1999-00 San Jose Sharks NHL 81 17 23 40 36 5 1 1 2 2
2000-01 San Jose Sharks NHL 81 25 27 52 22 6 2 0 2 4
2001-02 San Jose Sharks NHL 79 21 23 44 40 12 6 5 11 6
2002-03 San Jose Sharks NHL 82 28 29 57 33
2003-04 San Jose Sharks NHL 80 28 29 57 24 17 8 4 12 6
2005-06 San Jose Sharks NHL 82 34 52 86 26 11 9 5 14 8 (The Year Thornton arrived)
2006-07 San Jose Sharks NHL 77 32 46 78 33 11 3 3 6 2
2007-08 San Jose Sharks NHL 78 19 29 48 33 13 4 4 8 2
2008-09 San Jose Sharks NHL 76 38 33 71 18 6 2 1 3 8
2009-10 San Jose Sharks NHL 62 38 26 64 16 ( The Year Heatley arrived)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NHL Totals 933 314 360 674 319 92 37 25 62 42

Yes there is an increase, but even my point production would increase if I was skating with the likes of these guys (And I haven't skated in years !!!)
So I'm going to pay 6 million for a player that averaged 25 goals and 50+ points before the arrival of a world class player. Give your head a shake, we don't have a Joe Thornton so his production will greatly decrease here in Toronto.

Like I posted earlier, Marleau is a very good secondary option but he is no #1 center and he would be a huge disappointment imo. What the Leafs need is a Joe Thornton type to increase Kessel's #'s not another player looking for someone to pass them the puck.

The worst thing you could have done was post those "facts" because it made your argument look ridiculous.

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would prefer 27 year old 17 G Plekanec. Very good fit on a needing leafs squad
Pass again! Why waste cap space on guys you are just settling for. I can't justify paying Plekanec approx. 5 million. Why do you want the Leafs to be in cap trouble? If you are going to dish out some dough, make sure it's a world class player who will improve those who play around him. Neither Plekanec or Marleau are capable of doing this here in talent deprived Toronto.

My suggestion, don't sign anyone this offseason (minor signings are fine obviously) and just wait it out. Eventually, the Leafs will get their man.

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1) Sign 2 of Marleau, Plekanec, and Ollie Jokinen as our #1 and 2 C
2) If we can only get 1 of the above, Sign Stajan as our #2
3) Trade for Martin St. Louis
4) Cup
This post was a great laugh.

Where is the cap space to get Jokinen and Marleau and acquiring St. Louis?

I also fail to see how those players will bring the Leafs a Cup. Olli Jokinen? Are you kidding me? The guy is hardly a #2 center anymore.

Thanks for putting a smile on my face this morning.....if only reality were easy as a video game

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Pass again! Why waste cap space on guys you are just settling for. I can't justify paying Plekanec approx. 5 million. Why do you want the Leafs to be in cap trouble? If you are going to dish out some dough, make sure it's a world class player who will improve those who play around him. Neither Plekanec or Marleau are capable of doing this here in talent deprived Toronto.

My suggestion, don't sign anyone this offseason (minor signings are fine obviously) and just wait it out. Eventually, the Leafs will get their man.
I'd be ok with this. I think the salary cap will dictate a bit about what will happen. There will be a number of secondary type players available relatively cheap for teams with some cap troubles. BB has enough bodies around he can ice a team, see how the youth (Bozak, Kadri specifically) develops and decide what to do from there, unless of course, the right guy is available. I could see a Grabs for a Briere type deal. Maybe not that deal specifically, but a $2.9 million contract, for a $5-6 000 000 contract.

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is this a possibility this offseason considering all the UFAs that leave after this year?
I personally wouldn't mind Marleau considering we've been looking for an elite center and Marleau certainly fits the criteria, both a playmaker and scorer. I also wouldn't mind Thomas Plekanec if we can't land Marleau. Thoughts?
Wilson and Marleau dont like each other at all. Marleau was one of the reasons Wilson got fired.

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KOVALCHUK MARLEAU kessel
stalberg bozek kulemin
sjostrom kadri hanson
lundmark mitchell orr

phaneuf schenn
beauchemin komisarek
------ gunnarson

giguere
gustavsson

adding: 15 million with kovalchuk and marleau
losing 15 million by :
dumping kaberle,poni,grab,stemp,primeau,wallin,exelby for picks - 13 mil ?
and then the waiver trick with finger and van ryn - 6 mil ?
an extra 3 or 4 mil. to get a skill D ?
that should do it

as a leaf fan i dont expect it to happen, because of so many letdown years
but this is a contending team is it not?
and yes 3 yrs down the road it could ruin us...but
its tempting..move marleau to the wing in a few yrs etc....
if only it could be done

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Pass again! Why waste cap space on guys you are just settling for. I can't justify paying Plekanec approx. 5 million. Why do you want the Leafs to be in cap trouble? If you are going to dish out some dough, make sure it's a world class player who will improve those who play around him. Neither Plekanec or Marleau are capable of doing this here in talent deprived Toronto.

My suggestion, don't sign anyone this offseason (minor signings are fine obviously) and just wait it out. Eventually, the Leafs will get their man.
Plekanec was no better than Stajan or Grabo last year. I don't see any attraction to signing him as an FA.

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