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02-24-2010, 10:26 PM
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Grats to Canadians. You guys dominated. Our guys didn't show up. Once again, our team needs a psychiatrist to get them in the right mindset.

See ya guys in Sochi!

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I don't really know if anyone can stop you if you can play the game the same way you did tonight but I wish you good luck even though I'll cheer against you!
Team USA already did. Bykov's KHL style tactics and team selection cost you the game / tournament

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In case nobody sees my other thread (I barely found it myself):

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I hope you guys won't be trashing Babcock and Yzerman from now on. This team was built with one purpose in mind: beating Russia and that's exactly what they did. Crosby and Iginla were not even necessary. Morrow and Perry got the job done.

I'm absolutely appalled at the coaching job that Bykov and Zakharkin did. The game was lost on both tactical and personnel levels. I wasn't very thrilled with the choice of Nabokov from the getgo: I always thought Bryzgalov's style was preferrable against NA teams. But several things are simply inexcusable:

-- a complete underestimation of the opponent (the "Canada is predictable" comment by Zakharkin)
-- unfamiliarity with the opponent (coaching Salavat Yulaev surely bred familiarity with NHL )
-- bringing 8 defensemen, including Korneev and Nikulin (before you bash our entire corps: Kalinin and Volchenkov were hands down our best players in this game, and Markov was injured)
-- not bringing the only two people that could scramble in the corners: Frolov and Sapyrkin (or to the lesser extent -- Kulemin)
-- refusing to match lines
-- refusing to take Nabokov out earlier
-- underutilizing Radulov. In fact, knowing the extent of Zinoviev's injury -- and he was questionable against Canada to begin with due to his softness -- he should have switched to 3 lines, double shifting Kovalchuk and Ovechkin, instead of rolling KLM out to be slaughtered.
-- surrendering all flanks and corners.

I'm sure I can think of more stuff. After I regain straight thinking.

At any rate: CONGRATULATIONS!
Classy stuff.

If it's any consolation, I wasn't breathing easily even with a pretty sizeable lead.

If anyone can make that disappear quickly it's the Russians.

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Pretty back handed compliment. Can't give you any props for that.
I think what he was saying was that the Canadians out-hit, out-skated, out-worked and out-skilled the Russians. Canada's passing tonight was a thing of beauty. They really put the "beauty" back into the game.

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02-24-2010, 10:27 PM
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Sochi is going to be a different animal until then go Canada!!!!
Yep, No NHLers

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02-24-2010, 10:28 PM
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That would be pretty ridiculous if they were thinking of a tournament 4 years away.

How often do you have a chance to beat your main rival in their country and knock them out of medal contention?

I don't think there is an ounce of validity in what you just said.
When have you ever seen the Russians almost lifeless. Yes, Nabokov sucked, but Russia was just bleh... Russia is a very skilled team and shouldn't have been dominated the way they were.

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what are everybody's thoughts on kovalchuk's tournament? was his best game tonight? if not, which game? (excluding the latvia game)

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Pretty back handed compliment. Can't give you any props for that.
Meh, self-reflection is the typical reaction.

We Canadians did the same thing after losing to the States.

How Nabokov played more than one period is bizarre.

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Have you changed your mind on Ducan "No Show" Keith?

You said he would suck in the Olympics, and called him the most overrated defenseman. Guess what? He's our best defenseman.

I think Doughty or Weber might take that title. Keith has been good, but its tough to shine with a team full of all stars.


But good game, hoping for a rematch in Sochi always good to see a Canada vs Russia matchup.

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Thanks for the nice words, Russian fans

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Meh, self-reflection is the typical reaction.

We Canadians did the same thing after losing to the States.

How Nabokov played more than one period is bizarre.
Nabokov was shaky, but his defence was supremely over matched, and hung him out to dry.

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It hasn't sunk in yet. All I can feel now is deep worry for the guys on the team and the staff. Heads will roll, but excessively so.

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Like I already said in the game thread but it probably got lost - congrats to Canada! Canada played an unbelievable game - came with the great plan and executed to perfection. Everything worked wonderfully and a better team won.

I don't really know if anyone can stop you if you can play the game the same way you did tonight but I wish you good luck even though I'll cheer against you!
You're not making it easy to be cocky and rub it in, which is what I originally logged on to do

BTW, I was not expecting this. The Russians are better than they played, but Canada played near flawless. I'm sure Russia will come back with something to prove in Sochi.

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I hope Slovakia beats Sweden so we will have an easier opponent and Finland/Czech beat USA so we will have another easier opponent.
WE WANT SWEDEN!

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Nabokov was shaky, but his defence was supremely over matched, and hung him out to dry.
True, but switching the goalie isn't always about the goalie.

It's about sending a message to your team.

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02-24-2010, 10:35 PM
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I think what he was saying was that the Canadians out-hit, out-skated, out-worked and out-skilled the Russians. Canada's passing tonight was a thing of beauty. They really put the "beauty" back into the game.
Meh, kinda sounded like he put it all on the coach. Regardless, nice of Russian fans to man up after the game.

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When have you ever seen the Russians almost lifeless. Yes, Nabokov sucked, but Russia was just bleh... Russia is a very skilled team and shouldn't have been dominated the way they were.
I think Canada had a lot to do with their lifelessness.

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02-24-2010, 10:36 PM
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They lack winning mentality. After the last two World Cups I though they got over this but my oh my. It's not defeat, it's the lack of effort that hurts. From the first minute on I could see they are not trying and that this won't end good. No passion whatsoever and I hope they know how they disappointed millions of fans around the world. Nobody would say anything if they gave their best but with this attitude...

I'm not trying to take anything away from Canada, they played a wonderful game but any tougher opponent (Swe and even USA) would crush this team tonight.

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02-24-2010, 10:37 PM
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True, but switching the goalie isn't always about the goalie.

It's about sending a message to your team.
Yeah, 21 shots or whatever in the first period...insanity!

They should have pulled him after the 3rd, and definitely after the 4th.

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I have to say that the Russian coaching was very suspect. I didn't see any semblence of a game plan. Forget the goaltending debacle... why didn't they change up their game after the first. Why not dump/chase or try something different rather than get hit and turn over the puck. The coaching was awful.

Also why was Ovechkin in front of the Canadian net screening the goaltender on the Russian PP's?? SHouldn't he be in the slot or playing the point like he does in Washington to make use of his amazing shot? How do you take your best player and minimize his effectiveness?

That's like taking Crosby and using him in a checking role. WTF?

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he should have switched to 3 lines, double shifting Kovalchuk and Ovechkin, instead of rolling KLM out to be slaughtered.
2 x 00 (0vey & k0vy) = 0

Highly skilled forwards... check

Questions about defense... check

"This time they play with pride"... check

Score goals while crushing Latvia... check

Take runs at opposing players... check

Go home without a medal... check

Make excuses and go back to partying...

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I still think it was an awful mistake to bring that many KHL players over to North American ice.

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It hasn't sunk in yet. All I can feel now is deep worry for the guys on the team and the staff. Heads will roll, but excessively so.
"Coach, we suggest you pack for winter... heheheheh"

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Like I already said in the game thread but it probably got lost - congrats to Canada!
There's a reason this win means so much to Canadians - Russia is such an accomplished and skilled adversary that beating you means we really accomplished something.

I am grateful that our two great hockey nations will almost certainly butt heads again in 4 years - and then it will be on YOUR home turf!

Sochi 2014!

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Great game by Canada. Congrats.

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*** Canada deserved it absolutely, alas.
Hope you won't be chickens to come to Sochi anyway to meet us again.
You'll have to talk to Bettman about that. 2014 is going to be fun when Canada faces Russia again.

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