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04-26-2004, 01:45 PM
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The key: Forechecking Tampa's D

This worked yesterday in the second period. We turned Tampa's 2-1-2 on them and their D were buried in their own zone. We have to use our speed on the forecheck like they do. Their D showed that they are not as solid as they appear when pressured.

And for god sake.. bang it off the glass!

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This worked yesterday in the second period. We turned Tampa's 2-1-2 on them and their D were buried in their own zone. We have to use our speed on the forecheck like they do. Their D showed that they are not as solid as they appear when pressured.
Agreed. When we play that way we have success. That's the bottom line. We can't let Tampa dictate the way the game is played. Play within our strengths instead of trying to play to Tampa's weaknesses.

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Keep going to the net and getting in the D's face and Khabibulin's face. That is one thing I noticed last game, when we did that they couldn't contain us and after the whistle they would always complain to the refs...by them doing that it shows they can't handle it.

And with Cullimore out and maybe Boyle too they are down to only 5 real D that they are comfortable with, CJ has to take advantage of that with the last change at home for the next 2 games.

Crash the net, it will generate rebounds and scoring chances and cause the Bolts to take penalties too.

GO HABS GO!!!

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With Cullimore and Boyle out..isn't that 4 D left?

Btw, what's the status on Boyle so far?

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Keep going to the net and getting in the D's face and Khabibulin's face. That is one thing I noticed last game, when we did that they couldn't contain us and after the whistle they would always complain to the refs...by them doing that it shows they can't handle it.

And with Cullimore out and maybe Boyle too they are down to only 5 real D that they are comfortable with, CJ has to take advantage of that with the last change at home for the next 2 games.

Crash the net, it will generate rebounds and scoring chances and cause the Bolts to take penalties too.

GO HABS GO!!!
Basically the habs can't let Khabby see the puck.....the players got to get in front of him and screen him when they are getting offensive chances and shots. It would probably be a good idea for our third and fourth line players to get under LeCavalier and St Louis's skin and get them off their game....and by this I mean within the boundaries of the game and not needless penalties. Our second line needs to get going and Ryder needs to have a big game. On d, Souray will need to have a strong game for a confidence builder.....1 great game and his confidence is back.

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With Cullimore and Boyle out..isn't that 4 D left?
No, Cullimore's been out for awhile now. Pratt's replaced him in the rotation.

I would agree with the initial point in this thread. I can't understand why Montreal's mentality is not to get on Tampa's defense.

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No, Cullimore's been out for awhile now. Pratt's replaced him in the rotation.

I would agree with the initial point in this thread. I can't understand why Montreal's mentality is not to get on Tampa's defense.
That was their mentality in the second period. They were all over Tampa's defense and completely carried the play but just couldn't score. Lecavelier's goal killed the momentum they had and in the 3rd period Tampa played with 4 men back so Montreal couldn't get a forecheck going. It will be interesting to see how game 3 turns out.

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FORECHECK, FORECHECK, FORECHECK AND THEN FORECHECK SOME MORE.

(PS-On ESPN they said Boyle will be able to play.)

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Their D are soft, they are fast, skillful but soft. We have to forecheck and crash them. Then we'll get the puck control in their zone.

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Tampa doesn't trap, so this is a team that can be exposed by the forecheck. However, two things have to happen. Montreal has to use its foot speed to gain the zone and get the hits in before the Tampa D essentially clears the zone, since they are quite quick. Second, we can't take over-zealous penalties like Ryder did early in game 2 with a hit to the head.

The ability to forecheck and knock their transition game off is the key to tonight's game IMO.

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Forcing their best offensive players to help down low can only be a good thing. I would assume that the teams that like to play forty seconds behind your net, like Philly for example are the teams that would get Lecavlier in trouble. Problem is that he and St.Louis are playing with such confidence right now.

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Forcing their best offensive players to help down low can only be a good thing. I would assume that the teams that like to play forty seconds behind your net, like Philly for example are the teams that would get Lecavlier in trouble. Problem is that he and St.Louis are playing with such confidence right now.
I think they've been opportunistic. They haven't busted out or anything, we've handed them the goals. When we laid the body on them, they couldn't handle it. Hopefully Markov and Rivet keep playing that way and Souray will join them.

Never thought I'd say this, but it would be nice to have Quintal's hands out there.

Having Ward back in there to crash the net would be good too.

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Ya i've thought this since the series began we really have to forecheck and just play hard and hit as much as possible.

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Tampa doesn't trap, so this is a team that can be exposed by the forecheck. However, two things have to happen. Montreal has to use its foot speed to gain the zone and get the hits in before the Tampa D essentially clears the zone, since they are quite quick. Second, we can't take over-zealous penalties like Ryder did early in game 2 with a hit to the head.

The ability to forecheck and knock their transition game off is the key to tonight's game IMO.
Tampa most certainly does trap, just a low trap. That's why Montreal's had such trouble moving the puck.

A typical Tampa low trap is set up as follows: following a dump-in, the puck will wind up in the corner deep in Montreal's zone. Usually in the right corner. Montreal's defenseman will be inclined to move the puck quickly straight up along the boards (as per Julien's system).

Two Lightning forwards (forward A and B) will pursue the puck carrier; forward A will pursue intensely and forward B will be 10 feet behind his linemate, skating along the boards in support to force a turnover. In many cases Montreal defensemen look to bank the puck off the boards/glass to get the puck out quickly, but forward B prevents that.

The Montreal defenseman then looks to pass the puck behind his net to his D partner. Only problem is that Tampa forward C is bearing down on him. This is where most of the turnovers in Game One and Two took place. Bouillon especially had trouble moving the puck and took a lot of hits deep.

Tampa Forward B will rotate over to support Forward C in this scenario, while Forward A pursues the second Montreal defenseman as well and cuts off a passing lane back to his defense partner.

This is a high-risk system for Tampa to employ, but it's worked because Montreal's been unable to adapt. One method of beating this trap is to have Montreal's left wing sit just above the faceoff circle along the boards on the left side in his own zone. When Tampa shoots the puck in and it reaches the right corner, the right defenseman can hammer the puck around the boards up to the left wing rather than to his defense partner.

Montreal's center would need to support the left winger and stick in the center of the ice in his own zone (as there's a high risk of turnover using this play, the center needs to be the defensive conscience of this break-out). The right winger would need to float around the redline to await an outlet pass from the left winger.

The problem with this scenario is that Tampa's defensemen are told to pinch. So in this situation Tampa's right defenseman will pinch and look to hit the Montreal left winger in order to keep the puck in. Tampa's right side defenseman are fairly good at this (Kubina, Sarich, Boyle) which makes it a little more difficult.

This would catch Tampa with only one man back, and the pinching defenseman would be skating in the wrong direction. Montreal's center and LW could turn it on to a 3 on 1 or 3 on 2 depending on how quickly Tampa Forward B is able to get back.

Quick transition is the best way to make Tampa pay the price for over-pursuing the puck.

I'm not sure how clear that came across, it's all visual. Hopefully it makes some sense though.

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Tampa most certainly does trap, just a low trap. That's why Montreal's had such trouble moving the puck.

A typical Tampa low trap is set up as follows: following a dump-in, the puck will wind up in the corner deep in Montreal's zone. Usually in the right corner. Montreal's defenseman will be inclined to move the puck quickly straight up along the boards (as per Julien's system).

Two Lightning forwards (forward A and B) will pursue the puck carrier; forward A will pursue intensely and forward B will be 10 feet behind his linemate, skating along the boards in support to force a turnover. In many cases Montreal defensemen look to bank the puck off the boards/glass to get the puck out quickly, but forward B prevents that.

The Montreal defenseman then looks to pass the puck behind his net to his D partner. Only problem is that Tampa forward C is bearing down on him. This is where most of the turnovers in Game One and Two took place. Bouillon especially had trouble moving the puck and took a lot of hits deep.

Tampa Forward B will rotate over to support Forward C in this scenario, while Forward A pursues the second Montreal defenseman as well and cuts off a passing lane back to his defense partner.

This is a high-risk system for Tampa to employ, but it's worked because Montreal's been unable to adapt. One method of beating this trap is to have Montreal's left wing sit just above the faceoff circle along the boards on the left side in his own zone. When Tampa shoots the puck in and it reaches the right corner, the right defenseman can hammer the puck around the boards up to the left wing rather than to his defense partner.

Montreal's center would need to support the left winger and stick in the center of the ice in his own zone (as there's a high risk of turnover using this play, the center needs to be the defensive conscience of this break-out). The right winger would need to float around the redline to await an outlet pass from the left winger.

The problem with this scenario is that Tampa's defensemen are told to pinch. So in this situation Tampa's right defenseman will pinch and look to hit the Montreal left winger in order to keep the puck in. Tampa's right side defenseman are fairly good at this (Kubina, Sarich, Boyle) which makes it a little more difficult.

This would catch Tampa with only one man back, and the pinching defenseman would be skating in the wrong direction. Montreal's center and LW could turn it on to a 3 on 1 or 3 on 2 depending on how quickly Tampa Forward B is able to get back.

Quick transition is the best way to make Tampa pay the price for over-pursuing the puck.

I'm not sure how clear that came across, it's all visual. Hopefully it makes some sense though.
Tampa seems to be backing off their forecheck a bit in this game, but we still aren't able to get the puck to the net because they collapse and block a ton of shots, much like us (though they block a lot more).

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