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02-25-2010, 11:42 PM
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Here's Vigneault in a Vancouver Sun article:
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"We are an organization where if our players need anything, whether it's another opinion, a specialist, we are going to go out and do whatever we need to do to get that player healthy. And we are going to do the same thing with Willie."
Methinks a certain coach has learned some talking points for when questions arise about players' health.

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02-26-2010, 12:07 AM
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Hopefully some team will have interest in Jannik Hansen because without a 2nd round pick in this year's draft there are a lot of teams that will be able to outbid the Canucks, simply because they can offer a 2nd rounder in any deal.

Seidenberg is the guy I want Gillis to get. He's mobile, physical, solid defensively, can chip in offensively, shot block leader and log a lot of ice-time. I think he's a player that could be signed rather reasonably as well. Likely will cost a decent amount to get him though, 2nd round pick plus good prospect or a 1st. Andy Sutton is another guy that would be a good pick-up. Brings the size that would be needed to replace Mitchell, but has improved his defensive game and would be a solid addition at the right price. I can see the Isles having interest in Hansen.
I didn't really know a lot about Seidenberg until the past couple weeks but from watching his last 2 games with Florida and every one of the Germany games where he paired with Ehrhoff I came away impressed every time. For a strong, physical defenseman he can really skate and move the puck quickly. Seidenberg and Ehrhoff looked excellent together and didn't look out of place at any point matching up against the World's best.

Before the Mitchell news Seidenberg would have been a nice luxury for the 2nd defense pairing. If Mitchell's concussion issues are as serious as they sound, Seidenberg is now a necessity if the Canucks want to make any noise in the playoffs.

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02-26-2010, 12:20 AM
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That's what I've been hearing as well but it varies on who you talk too. I personally would roll the dice on him. Moving forward he's got the defensive play, size, and grit I'd be looking for on the back end. I'd like to grab him while his value is low. Also consider we're going to need to think about filling two or three spots moving forward. The price probably won't be worth it but he's the name I'm throwing out right now.

Also a shame we're up against the cap because I wouldn't mind adding Hartnell who Philly is going to have to get rid of for cap reasons. Imagine playing against Burrows, Kesler, Hartnell.
Every time I see Coburn play, I come out impressed by how well he skates for a guy his size. He's been quite inconsistent in the physical department and it seems like the Flyers are making him be someone he's not. He might be overrated because of where he was drafted, but he can definitely be a solid player that can chip in with some offense.

I like Seidenberg, and I think he can replace a guy like Mitchell, should we move that direction. I heard Seidenberg had Vancouver on his list during free agency, but we signed Schneider instead. If Gillis is going to make a move for him, he better retain him, otherwise it's just a waste of assets. I don't like giving up picks for rentals.

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Here's Vigneault in a Vancouver Sun article:


Methinks a certain coach has learned some talking points for when questions arise about players' health.
Haha TC Carling has spent some quality time softening up French coach.

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**** are you ****ing kidding me!
We need someone ASAP if Mitchell is out. Its time to deal for a big name dman.

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Oh ****.

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Time for Gillis to make a "hockey trade."

We'll need a top 4 defenseman to replace Mitchell in the summer regardless.

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Gillis' goal this summer is to overhaul the defense. Everybody should be gone save for Ehrhoff, Edler and maybe SOB.
Agreed, although I love Salo's shot

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Does anybody know what play and how mitchell got injured?

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Does anybody know what play and how mitchell got injured?
The hit from Malkin.

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The hit from Malkin.
Or perhaps the earlier hit from Boogaard.

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Or perhaps the earlier hit from Boogaard.
It was said that he felt soreness in his back and neck after the Boogaard hit, but the Malkin hit was the one that started all of the concussion symptoms.

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I keep coming back to Bernier as the player to move for defensive help. Moving a player like him for a pending UFA like Hamhuis/Seidenberg might make the most sense.


The wierd thing about this is that we might have already seen the last time Mitchell suits up for the Canucks. It's a strange turn of events.

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**** are you ****ing kidding me!
We need someone ASAP if Mitchell is out. Its time to deal for a big name dman.
How do we fit them in? Bieksa coming back eats up all of Willie's salary that is going on LTIR. We have to give whatever salary we get.

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02-26-2010, 10:16 AM
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Lukowich + Bernier + 3rd for Seidenberg or Hamhuis would be awesome.

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How do we fit them in? Bieksa coming back eats up all of Willie's salary that is going on LTIR. We have to give whatever salary we get.
If Mitchell is indeed on LTIR for the rest of the year they will definitely have some room to acquire someone. By my estimate, probably about $2.5-3.5 million depending on who is sent down to make room (more room if Lukowich is sent down and less if Rome is demoted).

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He is one player who I can't wait to see go down in a heap.
We loved it when Bure did this sort of thing.

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The hit is at 02:16:44 here

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Agreed, although I love Salo's shot
No one shoots the puck like Salo does, despite Edler winning hardest shot. When Salo and Mitchell leave, this team doesn't look that great.

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How do we fit them in? Bieksa coming back eats up all of Willie's salary that is going on LTIR. We have to give whatever salary we get.
Simple. You deal Bieska for said defensive defenseman.

Send Lukowich or Wellwood down to the minors for any additional cap space.

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I don't know why our management would basically say "We're going to be desperate to pick up a top four defenceman at the trade deadline." Just seems pretty dumb to me.

Unless it's a double bluff so we can go "Ugh. I guess we can't do a deal for that defender. I suppose you could talk me into taking a 3rd line center off your hands."


I'm too much of an optimist.

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If Mitchell is indeed on LTIR for the rest of the year they will definitely have some room to acquire someone. By my estimate, probably about $2.5-3.5 million depending on who is sent down to make room (more room if Lukowich is sent down and less if Rome is demoted).
The Canucks are already into Bieksa's LTIR exception cap space. Bieksa coming back would require salary be moved to get him back on the roster.

If Mitchell goes on LTIR is does not really make a difference (in fact his cap hit is slightly lower) and you are essentially swapping the current cap exception space between Bieksa and Mitchell.

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The Canucks are already into Bieksa's LTIR exception cap space. Bieksa coming back would require salary be moved to get him back on the roster.

If Mitchell goes on LTIR is does not really make a difference (in fact his cap hit is slightly lower) and you are essentially swapping the current cap exception space between Bieksa and Mitchell.
Did you not read the first line of my post where I said "If Mitchell is indeed on LTIR for the rest of the year...". Bieksa's cap exception couldn't be used on a permanent replacement because he was expected back. If Mitchell isn't expected to return, his LTIR exemption is available to be used towards an acquisition.

Right now the Canucks are paying $303,010 in daily salary which is $8,710 over the daily upper limit. If Bieksa is taken off of LTIR and Mitchell put on, the team would then have $20,868 in available daily LTIR exemptions (Mitchell's $18,135 + Bolduc's $2,733). If they are paying $303,010 and the upper limit is $294,300, that means they are currently using $8,710 of their LTIR exemption. That leaves $12,158 in daily salary left to use under Mitchell and Bolduc's LTIR exemptions which equates to $2.35 million in annual salary.

Add in the demotion/waiving of the player that would be replaced by an acquisition and there's even more room. If the Canucks brought in a defenseman and waived Lukowich, they would have room for about $3.9 million in annual salary minus any buffer to avoid the Flames' situation from last season.

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Did you not read the first line of my post where I said "If Mitchell is indeed on LTIR for the rest of the year...". Bieksa's cap exception couldn't be used on a permanent replacement because he was expected back. If Mitchell isn't expected to return, his LTIR exemption is available to be used towards an acquisition.

Right now the Canucks are paying $303,010 in daily salary which is $8,710 over the daily upper limit. If Bieksa is taken off of LTIR and Mitchell put on, the team would then have $20,868 in available daily LTIR exemptions (Mitchell's $18,135 + Bolduc's $2,733). If they are paying $303,010 and the upper limit is $294,300, that means they are currently using $8,710 of their LTIR exemption. That leaves $12,158 in daily salary left to use under Mitchell and Bolduc's LTIR exemptions which equates to $2.35 million in annual salary.

Add in the demotion/waiving of the player that would be replaced by an acquisition and there's even more room. If the Canucks brought in a defenseman and waived Lukowich, they would have room for about $3.9 million in annual salary minus any buffer to avoid the Flames' situation from last season.
They are already into the LTIR exception space and they will be essentially swapping Mitchell for Bieksa.

If Mitchell is put on LTIR there would likely be no way to bring him back before the play-offs assuming he can get healthy.

If they anticipate getting him back before the play-offs then there is no real room to make a move.

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