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The Sad State of Finnish Hockey

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02-26-2010, 08:51 PM
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The Sad State of Finnish Hockey

To those who think Finland is a top 4 hockey country, wake up. The games against Sweden and USA really showed how fair this team is from the top 4, we had absolutely no business in those games.
Take out those who were +30 in this team and what we got left?
(counted only players in the nhl.)

Forwards: M.Koivu, T. Ruutu, Miettinen, Filppula, Nokelainen, Bergenheim, J.Jokinen, Korpikoski and Leino.
So, a decent 1st line center, a second line center, a decent 4th line center, 2 x second line wingers, 1 3rd line winger, and few 4th line wingers / ahl guys.

Defensemans: Pitkänen, Lepistö, Salmela and Koistinen
One decent top 4 guy, 2 3rd pairing guys and a guy that wont be in the nhl anymore.

Most of these guys are 25-30y old.

And its not like we got much good prospect, specially on the defense. Without a change, Finland will be out of the top 6 in few years. I really hope that this team wont win the bronze game. Even if it doesnt i am afraid what we'll hear after the tournament goes like this "For a such a small country like Finland, the result was still good." and there wont be any changes.

Sorry there are probably some typos and stuff but a bit drunk right now.

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02-26-2010, 08:57 PM
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Sorry there are probably some typos and stuff but a bit drunk right now.
i'd be wasted too if canada played a game with as little heart as the finns did today

i wouldn't say there's a crisis in finnish hockey, but similar to the czechs there don't seem to be the same amount of top-end young players being produced like there used to

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02-26-2010, 08:58 PM
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It's all about winning the right games. Sweden didn't, Russia didn't, while Finland sort of did and Canada probably will too.

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Ya, it's going to be a while before Finland can be considered a top... 5 country in hockey. Really. There is Granlund, Pulkkinen, Vatanen, Rask to look forward to, but IMO they are nowhere near what other countries have to offer.

The worst thing is, the head of the Finnish Hockey Association, Kummola, already said they're not going to do anything because of the USA loss, when clearly, there's lots to do (**** YOU Kaikki pelaa systeemi).

It'll be a while.

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02-26-2010, 09:00 PM
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we have to hope our prospects break out such as pulkkinen donskoi granlund rajala etc. doesnt look awesome but will keep us in cotention if they do.

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i'm just glad that this hopefully means no more finns trash talking American hockey.. for a while anyway. Still waiting for your first gold, guys...

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That's what I was saying in another thread, Finland will be on Switzerland/Germany/Belarus level in Sochi.

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02-26-2010, 09:01 PM
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During the broadcast of the game they said that the American team had 16 players 25 or under. The Finns had 16 players over 30 and 8 over 35. Quite the juxtaposition.

Could Finland always expect to produce so much high level NHL talent? It is a small country after all, I think the odds would say that the Finnish talent production would probably level off due to the size of the country. Canada isn't exactly an enormous country either (population wise) but they still have 6 times more people then Finland

Anyway don't mean to be a debbie downer for the finland fans, I think you really should be proud of the players your country had produced

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02-26-2010, 09:03 PM
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i'm just glad that this hopefully means no more finns trash talking American hockey.. for a while anyway. Still waiting for your first gold, guys...
congrats for making an *** out of yourself

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Still waiting for your first gold, guys...
1995 dude.

But yeah we all know Finland's future will be a tought one. We have some potential in the NHL, AHL and Finnish league but only time can tell if its enough. Medals will be harder to bring home, that's for sure.

Ps. Another thread how the future of Finnish hockey is doomed by a drunk guy. Thumbs up.

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02-26-2010, 09:09 PM
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Finns got what they deserved for not putting Jussi on the team.

I don't think Finland is in such dire straights. Lot's of other teams are just as old or older.

Rooting for Finns in the bronze medal game for sure. good luck.

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What is the cause of this lack of talent lately? Was the last 20 years of superb Finnish talent overachievement?


Yeah it is looking rather bleak. Hopefully there are betetr years to come for Finnish hockey.

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Sorry there are probably some typos and stuff but a bit drunk right now.
Considering your alliance, post of the day.

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During the broadcast of the game they said that the American team had 16 players 25 or under. The Finns had 16 players over 30 and 8 over 35. Quite the juxtaposition.

Could Finland always expect to produce so much high level NHL talent? It is a small country after all, I think the odds would say that the Finnish talent production would probably level off due to the size of the country. Canada isn't exactly an enormous country either (population wise) but they still have 6 times more people then Finland

Anyway don't mean to be a debbie downer for the finland fans, I think you really should be proud of the players your country had produced
You can't find one Finn who says he's not proud of the players that have come out of Finland. We know that Finland will never have the depth of superstars that Canada, Russia, USA, and Sweden have but that doesn't mean we don't think we will win gold one day.

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During the broadcast of the game they said that the American team had 16 players 25 or under. The Finns had 16 players over 30 and 8 over 35. Quite the juxtaposition.

Could Finland always expect to produce so much high level NHL talent? It is a small country after all, I think the odds would say that the Finnish talent production would probably level off due to the size of the country. Canada isn't exactly an enormous country either (population wise) but they still have 6 times more people then Finland
You have to take in to account that hockey is #1 sport in Finland, meaning we need to have a competetive hockey team, and also probably the reason why things have been going so well for us so far. So the future does look dim for many Finns, maybe because we've been spoiled with players like Selänne, Koivu, Lehtinen, Kipprusoff, Bäckström and the likes. Now everyone's waking up to the fact that the future's not going to be so bright thanks to our junior system.

EDIT: as you can see, I'm a bit (NOT EVEN A BIT ACTUELLY) drunk too

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02-26-2010, 09:16 PM
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One game is just one game.

Czech lost to (among everyone else) Germany 7-1 in 96 World Cup. Two years after, about the same team won the olympics.

Something went really wrong today either from players or coaching and Team USA had a big heart, lots of skills, a lot of hunger and they pummeled Finland very deservedly.

It might be that Team USA is just that good, not that Finland is exceptionally bad.

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02-26-2010, 09:18 PM
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Last three best-on-best tournaments:
2004 World Cup 2nd
2006 Olympics 2nd
2010 Olympics 3rd-4th

Sad state indeed.

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One game is just one game.

Czech lost to (among everyone else) Germany 7-1 in 96 World Cup. Two years after, about the same team won the olympics.

Something went really wrong today either from players or coaching and Team USA had a big heart, lots of skills, a lot of hunger and they pummeled Finland very deservedly.

It might be that Team USA is just that good, not that Finland is exceptionally bad.
But it's not about this one game, it's about the fact that our top players are all well in their 30's with no equal players in sight. These Olympics were the last games for what is no doubt the greatest generation of Finnish players, these guys won't be at Sochi four years from now and no-one knows who's going to take their place.
That's why everyone's freaking out.

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i'm just glad that this hopefully means no more finns trash talking American hockey.. for a while anyway. Still waiting for your first gold, guys...
not cool...

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02-26-2010, 09:27 PM
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This one game doesn't reflect what we are as a hockey nation. Usually our 4 lines of 3-4th line guys actually work hard for the win, but these guys had one bum game. Sure it was bad, but we are still top 4 in this tournament.

Hopefully we don't see NHL guys in 2014 olympics.

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not cool...
bro it happens theres ******** all over the world we consider him a **** not USA.

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This one game doesn't reflect what we are as a hockey nation. Usually our 4 lines of 3-4th line guys actually work hard for the win, but these guys had one bum game. Sure it was bad, but we are still top 4 in this tournament.

Hopefully we don't see NHL guys in 2014 olympics.
It may be the only chance Finland has

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Could Finland always expect to produce so much high level NHL talent? It is a small country after all, I think the odds would say that the Finnish talent production would probably level off due to the size of the country. Canada isn't exactly an enormous country either (population wise) but they still have 6 times more people then Finland
Wikipedia: number of registered players by country. Compared to Sweden, albeit Sweden's population is almost 2x bigger, but amount of registered hockey players is even and look how much more talent Sweden is producing. Size of the country is worthless argument.

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02-26-2010, 09:34 PM
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Last three best-on-best tournaments:
2004 World Cup 2nd
2006 Olympics 2nd
2010 Olympics 3rd-4th

Sad state indeed.
You missed the point. In all of these tournaments the core players were the same. They will not be in Sochi. The future is sad because the junior system is not producing new Koivus or Selannes.

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It may be the only chance Finland has

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