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02-26-2010, 08:35 PM
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Last three best-on-best tournaments:
2004 World Cup 2nd
2006 Olympics 2nd
2010 Olympics 3rd-4th

Sad state indeed.
He meant going foward. Not the past.

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02-26-2010, 08:37 PM
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But it's not about this one game, it's about the fact that our top players are all well in their 30's with no equal players in sight. These Olympics were the last games for what is no doubt the greatest generation of Finnish players, these guys won't be at Sochi four years from now and no-one knows who's going to take their place.
That's why everyone's freaking out.
I think Finland has good junior players coming up. Maybe there is not (yet) the next Selanne, but Granlund has already achieved more than the national team mainstay Koivu had at the same age.

And at the time Koivu was the future and the top prospect of Finnish players, the only core players in NHL were Tikkanen, Kurri and Selanne.

I do not think the junior coaching of Finland lives in vacuum either. They will adapt.

And regarding to Finnish success in international competition, I believe that the coaching is equally good to any other nation.

I think these olympics are the kind of farewell that Team USA had in 06, the end of the current generation. But I don't believe the future is bleak at all.

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That's what I was saying in another thread, Finland will be on Switzerland/Germany/Belarus level in Sochi.
The Finns goaltending is now and will be in 2014 still to good to be on that level, Hiller brings the Swiss above the Germans and Belarus for 2014 and the Finns will still have comparable goaltending but much deeper on forward and D.

They may be the favourite but they will still be a top 7 team and anyone in that group can beat anyone as long as they have the tender.

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02-26-2010, 09:03 PM
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The future is sad because the junior system is not producing new Koivus or Selannes.
Can I, please, borrow your crystal ball some day?

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02-26-2010, 09:14 PM
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i'm just glad that this hopefully means no more finns trash talking American hockey.. for a while anyway. Still waiting for your first gold, guys...
Seriously? Grow up.

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02-26-2010, 09:15 PM
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congrats for making an *** out of yourself
I'm the ass? I'm not one of the Finns that thinks their hockey tradition is 10 times better than America's even though we've won two Olympic golds and a World Cup, whereas Finland has nada. (World Championships aren't best-on-best because of the NHL playoffs)

Scoreboard speaks for itself. 6-1

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02-26-2010, 09:16 PM
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I'm the ass? I'm not one of the Finns that thinks their hockey tradition is 10 times better than America's even though we've won two Olympic golds and a World Cup, whereas Finland has nada. (World Championships aren't best-on-best because of the NHL playoffs)

Scoreboard speaks for itself. 6-1
Yes, you're definitely the ass.

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02-26-2010, 09:18 PM
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To those who think Finland is a top 4 hockey country, wake up. The games against Sweden and USA really showed how fair this team is from the top 4, we had absolutely no business in those games.
Take out those who were +30 in this team and what we got left?
(counted only players in the nhl.)

Forwards: M.Koivu, T. Ruutu, Miettinen, Filppula, Nokelainen, Bergenheim, J.Jokinen, Korpikoski and Leino.
So, a decent 1st line center, a second line center, a decent 4th line center, 2 x second line wingers, 1 3rd line winger, and few 4th line wingers / ahl guys.

Defensemans: Pitkänen, Lepistö, Salmela and Koistinen
One decent top 4 guy, 2 3rd pairing guys and a guy that wont be in the nhl anymore.

Most of these guys are 25-30y old.

And its not like we got much good prospect, specially on the defense. Without a change, Finland will be out of the top 6 in few years. I really hope that this team wont win the bronze game. Even if it doesnt i am afraid what we'll hear after the tournament goes like this "For a such a small country like Finland, the result was still good." and there wont be any changes.

Sorry there are probably some typos and stuff but a bit drunk right now.
Where did you list the goalies? Ah, that's right... that's Finland's strength. They currently have 7 NHL goalies including 2 awesome young keepers in Rask and Rinne, two of the best young net minders in the game.

If Finland is going to continue to hang with the United States, Russia, Sweden and Canada they need to get better play out of their best players... ie Their Net Minder.

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02-26-2010, 09:18 PM
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Can I, please, borrow your crystal ball some day?
You can find these crystal balls from the internet. Google World U18/U20 Championship.

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02-26-2010, 09:20 PM
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Yes, you're definitely the ass.
Yep, I'm an ass because Finland can't win anything. Right..

Sorry to be brutally honest.

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You can find these crystal balls from the internet. Google World U18/U20 Championship.
Oh yeah, I forgot that they tell the exact future. Thanks for the heads up.

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02-26-2010, 09:21 PM
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And at the time Koivu was the future and the top prospect of Finnish players, the only core players in NHL were Tikkanen, Kurri and Selanne.
Difference is that back then the junior system was still producing this obviously great generation. Currently the junior system is not and it needs to be rectified asap.

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02-26-2010, 09:22 PM
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2014 Finland will look like ****. We wont have a change against anyone. We really dont have future right now.

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02-26-2010, 09:27 PM
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Oh yeah, I forgot that they tell the exact future. Thanks for the heads up.
No, but if you look at the medalists from recent years you will see a clear pattern and connection to this day.

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02-26-2010, 09:32 PM
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I'm the ass? I'm not one of the Finns that thinks their hockey tradition is 10 times better than America's even though we've won two Olympic golds and a World Cup, whereas Finland has nada. (World Championships aren't best-on-best because of the NHL playoffs)

Scoreboard speaks for itself. 6-1
I gave you the benefit of the doubt for your first post (even if you did not delete it), but you just confirmed that your a clone of the Ugly American, as implicitly confirmed by a few of your compatriots.



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02-26-2010, 09:34 PM
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Yep, I'm an ass because Finland can't win anything. Right..

Sorry to be brutally honest.
You're the kind of person that makes me embarrassed to be an American. So sorry Finnish fans.

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Yep, I'm an ass because Finland can't win anything. Right..

Sorry to be brutally honest.
No you're not. You're the epitome of a bully.

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02-26-2010, 09:47 PM
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That's bad when you say you have Ville Leino to look forward to. I'm just sayin'.

But in all seriousness, Mikael Granlund and Teemu Pulkkinen should bring some excitement for the future. Without even mentioning Tuuka Rask.

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02-26-2010, 09:50 PM
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Without even mentioning Tuuka Rask.
Thats all we really have...

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02-26-2010, 10:01 PM
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Finland needs to petition Gary Bettman to get funding for their program.
He's giving USA hockey 8 million a year now.

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02-26-2010, 10:11 PM
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Maybe Finland should stop developing goalies and actually start to produce quality hockey players. They're going to have about 10 goalies who could make their 2014 Olympic team.

I'm sure they'll have somebody like a Kane or Kopitar coming up over the next four years who can be an elite player. If they don't, then they're screwed.

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02-26-2010, 10:17 PM
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Thats all we really have...
Sorry about this idiot, there are lots of finns in the future.

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02-26-2010, 10:19 PM
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We really dont have future in defense right now. Vatanen will be good but there really isnt others. In offence there will be Granlund, Rajala, Pulkkinen and Donskoi but i really dont know if they will be good enough (NHL level). It will be really hard for Finland in the future right now it seems.

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I wonder why Teemu Aalto don't make team. Always like guy and though he has some future in NHL. It's shame Kukkonen and Niskala made team over Vaananen and Aalto.

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02-26-2010, 10:32 PM
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I wonder why Teemu Aalto don't make team. Always like guy and though he has some future in NHL. It's shame Kukkonen and Niskala made team over Vaananen and Aalto.
I know Kukkone is ****. I really wanted to see Ossi instead of him but whatever. Its not like we lost because of that. But Lasse was pretty brutal.

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