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Those rules were set before the first preliminary game even took place. I guess they looked into their crystal ball and saw that Canada was in trouble! Gotta bend those rules.
Am I the only one that thought going into overtime, that 4 on 4 would have actually given the Americans a better chance?
Werent they arguably better than Canada in the overtime?
I thought Canada was the better team yesterday. The US got better goaltending and made two very good plays for their goals. But the Canadian forecheck, puck carrying, defensive plays and pressure on the puck carrier was just vastly superior. Canada became a team when it needed to and I don't think the US would've survived more than 4 games in a 7 game series, with the 4th game being a blowout .
Really?
I thought Canada dominated the US for the first 30-40minutes of the game, but the last bit of the 2nd and through the 3rd, I thought the US forecheck really picked up and I thought the game was pretty even from that point forward (I realize that thats a big chunk of game to dominate, but goaltending IS part of the game)
Am I the only one that thought going into overtime, that 4 on 4 would have actually given the Americans a better chance?
Werent they arguably better than Canada in the overtime?
Crystal ball indeed.
Yes, the dump the puck and win on the forecheck system the Americans were running got destroyed by switching to 4 on 4. Giving up the extra man on each side means you only get one forechecker against the two Canadian Ds instead of two since you have to worry about numbers the other way if you can't force a turnover or beat them to the puck.
Aside from one rush the Canadians had a huge possession advantage in OT.
I thought Canada dominated the US for the first 30-40minutes of the game, but the last bit of the 2nd and through the 3rd, I thought the US forecheck really picked up and I thought the game was pretty even from that point forward (I realize that thats a big chunk of game to dominate, but goaltending IS part of the game)
Because we sat back and played a defensively minded game in the third. We should have kept pushing but we let them come at us.
There's our prime difference. You don't stay the best by resting on your laurels or expecting success to continue indefinitely without adaptation. I'm "mocking" you for asserting that the ends somehow entirely discredit the means, and that struggling against Switzerland and the United States shouldn't be enough cause to warrant taking a closer look at things.
As for why I'm not "respecting" 'we won, who cares', I don't come here just to post 'woohoo, there's the results guys, good game!', I like to analyze things and see the same from others. If your analysis of the tournament for Team Canada is limited to the fact that you won and it's over I don't know why I'm still going back and forth here.
Analyze this:
There have been 8 gold medal games in men's and women's hockey the past 4 winter Olympics. Canada has 5 gold medals to show for it. Three other teams have one each. The rest have none.
There's our prime difference. You don't stay the best by resting on your laurels or expecting success to continue indefinitely without adaptation. I'm "mocking" you for asserting that the ends somehow entirely discredit the means, and that struggling against Switzerland and the United States shouldn't be enough cause to warrant taking a closer look at things.
As for why I'm not "respecting" 'we won, who cares', I don't come here just to post 'woohoo, there's the results guys, good game!', I like to analyze things and see the same from others. If your analysis of the tournament for Team Canada is limited to the fact that you won and it's over I don't know why I'm still going back and forth here.
I dont mind that mindset either. Im actually one that usually employs that mindset, and it frustrates me when others act so simple mindedly. If you refer back to the rationality of my recent posts, you may beleive me.
These guys had their backs against the wall and won 4 games in 6 nights, when the hockey world minus some thought their chances were gone. They took the number 1 ranked team in the tournament to school. And they redeemed themself for a loss when it mattered more, no matter how.
If you think there gonna rest on their laurels and bring the same 23 guys back to the next event, feeling certain of victory, your out of your mind. And your gonna say thats not what your arguing, but these are the types of messages your argument is screaming.
The work is not done, theyll go back and do the process again, and theyll build a team once again they think is capable of winning gold. They did it this team, they may miss out next time, its been seen.
This was done at home, all the pressure, beat the Russians, win the gold. If they had lost all of Canada second guesses, if they won, nothing mattered. You gotta let the people who were responsible for this have that. Its only right.
They won, right now, thats what matters.
All your doing is trying to dampen success whether its your intention or not. I like the fact that you think theres more beyond the scoreboard, or the gold medal, I screamed it 1000 times after you beat us a week ago. I said beyond the score, our players played about as dominantly as you could play for most of that game, I think theyll win gold. They did.
Your pushing the wrong argument to the wrong guy. We see more similarly then you think, that border between us has the impact to blur that truth.
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Is Wilson = to a feminine hygene product...yes. But he didn't really say anything demeaning about Canada, he said it about European hockey.
The Americans played an amazing tournament. In my opinion the Olympic MVP is HANDS DOWN Ryan Miller. He was Spectacular the whole tourny. The Style and Class displayed by the American team was fun to watch. The two games between USA AND CANADA were the best games I have seen in a long time. The only difference between the two games was the Canadian goaltending. Brodeur played average, which wasn't enough to beat the US, Luongo played very solid to great and that was the difference.
Wilson's comments have to be taken into context, 30 mins after losing a gold medal game in OT...please, his words were faily measured until he went all Don Cherry on us with the european style cracks.
Keep in mind I am a HABS fan living in Canada, so if anyone should hate Wilson...it's me
Analyze this:
There have been 8 gold medal games in men's and women's hockey the past 4 winter Olympics. Canada has 5 gold medals to show for it. Three other teams have one each. The rest have none.
Please don't pretend like winning women's golds in hockey is anything to brag about when it's a two team tournament and almost pointless. Also, even if they were relevant to anyone outside Canada, how does women's roster selection or play style have anything to do with this thread?
I dont mind that mindset either. Im actually one that usually employs that mindset, and it frustrates me when others act so simple mindedly. If you refer back to the rationality of my recent posts, you may beleive me.
These guys had their backs against the wall and won 4 games in 6 nights, when the hockey world minus some thought their chances were gone. They took the number 1 ranked team in the tournament to school. And they redeemed themself for a loss when it mattered more, no matter how.
If you think there gonna rest on their laurels and bring the same 23 guys back to the next event, feeling certain of victory, your out of your mind. And your gonna say thats not what your arguing, but these are the types of messages your argument is screaming.
The work is not done, theyll go back and do the process again, and theyll build a team once again they think is capable of winning gold. They did it this team, they may miss out next time, its been seen.
This was done at home, all the pressure, beat the Russians, win the gold. If they had lost all of Canada second guesses, if they won, nothing mattered. You gotta let the people who were responsible for this have that. Its only right.
They won, right now, thats what matters.
All your doing is trying to dampen success whether its your intention or not. I like the fact that you think theres more beyond the scoreboard, or the gold medal, I screamed it 1000 times after you beat us a week ago. I said beyond the score, our players played about as dominantly as you could play for most of that game, I think theyll win gold. They did.
Your pushing the wrong argument to the wrong guy. We see more similarly then you think, that border between us has the impact to blur that truth.
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Congrats on the gold Canada, glad it was a great game.
If we have to be 2nd to someone I don't mind it being our brothers up north.
Canada won therefore they were the better team
doesn't get easier then that.
Wilson is just bitter because he needs to go back to that **** hole team in Toronto
The Americans had a hell of a team. The majority of Canadians will attest to that. Canada pulled out a victory in a game that could have gone either way.
Yeah, the game was about as close as it gets. Pretty hard to say anybody didn't deserve it, it could have gone either way.
You Canadians pounding your chest like you were head and shoulders above us is comical......hate to break it to you, but reality is we split 2 games, and you were lucky enough to get a rematch. Sorry I'm being Captain obvious
In fairness, I thought Canada was the much better team during the round robin game, but Miller stood on his head. But I was very impressed how well the US played yesterday. With the home crowd by it's side, I thought the Canadians would have dominated more, and Miller would have had to keep you in it. But, I have to give the US team full credit. They hung in their punch for punch, and I thought it was a very evenly played game throughout. It would have been easy for the US to give up after Perry scored to make it 2-0, but they kept battling.
As a Canadian, you couldn't have written a better script, then Crosby winning in over-time to cap off the winter Olympics in our own country. Nothing defines us more as a country then winning the gold medal in hockey. While the games, would have been an overwhelming success regardless of the outcome, losing it would have been like getting the ugly friend instead of the hot one on the dance floor. Winning this game simply means more to Canadians then it could possibly mean to those south of the border. While you may appreciate the national pride aspect, we live the grass roots everyday. We'll be talking about this game for generations. Congrats to both teams. Both worthy.
To the d-bag (DungeonK) that said the olympic rules were changed to benefit team Canada... what are you smoking?
If anything, I thought the 4 on 4 in OT would benefit the US moreso than Canada. Open ice means more room for the skilled speedsters like Parise and Kane... and less grinding, physical play by Canadian guys like Richards, Toews, Iginla.
And regarding using the same shooter in more than once in the shootout (Crosby). Well, every team has a star player or two that they would want to use again and again (eg: Ovechkin/Datsyuk? Parise/Kane? Gaborik?) How the hell is that rule made to benefit team Canada.
You are really grasping at straws.. Unbelievable really. Both the US and Canada had awesome teams. Before the Olympics even started, I thought the US would win the tournament based on the play of Miller. I'm just happy we won gold. And no, it was not just LUCK. What an idiot.
Please don't pretend like winning women's golds in hockey is anything to brag about when it's a two team tournament and almost pointless. Also, even if they were relevant to anyone outside Canada, how does women's roster selection or play style have anything to do with this thread?
They won a gold medal this year. How did your men and women's hockey teams do?
Canada's men have won 2 of the last four Olympic golds. Two other teams have one once.
We've won 8 gold (the most) and 15 medals overall (the most) in the 20 tournaments we've participated in across 90 years.
How are we resting on our laurels?
Does dissing women athletes really change anything here?
To the d-bag (DungeonK) that said the olympic rules were changed to benefit team Canada... what are you smoking?
If anything, I thought the 4 on 4 in OT would benefit the US moreso than Canada. Open ice means more room for the skilled speedsters like Parise and Kane... and less grinding, physical play by Canadian guys like Richards, Toews, Iginla.
And regarding using the same shooter in more than once in the shootout (Crosby). Well, every team has a star player or two that they would want to use again and again (eg: Ovechkin/Datsyuk? Parise/Kane? Gaborik?) How the hell is that rule made to benefit team Canada.
You are really grasping at straws.. Unbelievable really. Both the US and Canada had awesome teams. Before the Olympics even started, I thought the US would win the tournament based on the play of Miller. I'm just happy we won gold. And no, it was not just LUCK. What an idiot.
Quality.
This sentiment has been debunked enough. Dungeon wishes he didnt say it..no offence
Sour journalism, sour winners. Holy cow he's commending his team and everyone wants to read in a slam on Canada.
lol @ the prelim game comments... sure that was just a throw-away game.
Usually the losing coach and team congratulate the winning coach and team in the post game media scrum.
Wilson just rants about Euro's and then heads back to a team with Euros on it. In a league where the winningest teams of the last few years have Euros in very predominant roles. Where in fact Euros occupy very high places among the elite.
After losing a game in a tournament won twice by Euros in the last four years.
The same tourney his countries heavily favourited to appear in the gold medal game women's team were deprived of that opportunity by Euros.
Ron Wilson. The laughs just keep on coming. Except for Him of course.
They won a gold medal this year. How did your men and women's hockey teams do?
Canada's men have won 2 of the last four Olympic golds. Two other teams have one once.
We've won 8 gold (the most) and 15 medals overall (the most) in the 20 tournaments we've participated in across 90 years.
How are we resting on our laurels?
Does dissing women athletes really change anything here?
The better question is does inflating the hard-fought men's tournament medals with the 'win an exhibition game against the US' women's medals really change anything here.
As for resting on your laurels I was talking about the mindset of 'We won the gold this year, clearly there don't need to be any changes in how the formula for how roster is chosen and team built.' vs 'Great we won it all, how can we ensure that we win it all again next time?'
Canada won therefore they were the better team
doesn't get easier then that.
Wilson is just bitter because he needs to go back to that **** hole team in Toronto
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