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Originally Posted by SwOOsh
Sorry to interupt but I for one have to say that Patrick Roy is the best goalie of all time (or his era I guess, as I didn't see any of Sawchuk, Plante etc.). He may have not had the best stats, etc. but he sure knew how to win and did it when it counted.
Also I'm not even a Roy supporter, I actually despise him as a person, but as a hockey player he was remarkeable.
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Did it count against Minnesota? Colorado had 105 points, Minnesota had 95. (Losing to a lesser team in the playoffs #1)
Did it count against Hasek (against whom Roy has never beaten when it has counted) and the Red Wings? You will recall the Statue of Liberty goal that cost the Avs game six and his sieve like status in game 7. Colorado had 99 points, Detroit had 116 points.
Did it count against D*ll*s in 1999 or 2000? D*ll*s had 102 points, Colorado had 96 points in 2000. D*ll*s had 114 points and Colorado had 98 points in 1999.
Did it count against the below-.500 Oilers in 1998? Colorado had 95 points, Edmonton had but 80. (Losing to a lesser team in the playoffs #2)
Did it count against the Red Wings in 1997? Colorado had 107 points, while Detroit had 94. (Losing to a lesser team in the playoffs #3). Colorado had the best regular season record in the league.
Did it count against the Bruins in 1994? Boston had 97 points, Montreal had 96 points.
Did it count against the Bruins in 1992? Montreal had 93 points, Boston had 84 points. (Losing to a lesser team in the playoffs #4)
Did it count against the Bruins in 1991, when Roy was replaced by Red Light Racicot twice? Bruins had 100 points, Montreal had 89 points.
Did it count against the Bruins in 1990? Boston had 101 points, Montreal had 93.
Did it count against the Flames in 1989? Calgary had 117 points, Montreal had 115.
Did it count against the Bruins in 1988? Montreal had 103 points, Boston had 94. (Losing to a lesser team in the playoffs #5) Maybe that's why Brian Hayward got 3 starts, and an additional game in relief.
Did it count against the matter against the Flyers in 1987? Philly had 100 points, Montreal had 92. Brian Hayward played in 13 games in the playoffs, while Roy got in 6, despite the fact Roy played more games in the regular season.
Your argument will be that Roy has 4 Cup rings. Big deal. Let's look at those years:
1986: Montreal (87 points) beats Boston (86), Hartford (84), NY Rangers (78) and Calgary (89). That's the result of a remarkably easy path to the Cup. Nobody had more than 90 points! Thank Steve Smith for scoring on his own net, preventing the Oilers from getting to the Cup, not Patrick Roy.
1993: Montreal (102 points) beats Quebec (103), Buffalo (86), NYI (87) and LA (88). Note also that Buffalo was without Lafontaine, and that Roy was on the bench during the turning point of the Stanley Cup final, when Montreal pulled Roy when McSorley got his penalty. Also note that Roy absolutely sucked against Quebec, prompting Red Light to enter the game.
1996: Colorado (104 points) beats Vancouver (79), Chicago (94), Detroit (131) and Florida (92). Colorado beat everybody they were supposed to, and they upset Detroit. Who was responsible for that? Chris Osgood, and his charitable nature.
2001: Colorado was the best team in the league. They should have won.
In other words, Roy was fortunate to play on teams who, for the most part, outclassed their opposition.
Hasek only lost once to a team with a lesser regular season record, against Pittsburgh in 2001. Of course, Lemieux only played half the regular season and Buffalo only had a 2 point advantage over Pittsburgh. Roy did it 5 times. Clutch? His double clutch giveaway against Red Wings in game six is a choke.
Roy played on the team with best regular season record twice. He won one Cup. Hasek played on the team with the best regular season once. He won the Cup.
Roy never won the Vezina or Hart as much as Hasek, despite playing much longer. Hasek was never replaced as a starter in the regular season, let alone playoffs (except for injury). Roy was replaced in the playoffs twice after becoming the starter.
Roy never won when it counted. He simply had enough chances. It is not unlike a fortune teller making lots of predictions, because the more of them you make, the greater the likelihood that something sticks.
, or drop one of those players and add your 1st from this year perhaps.
