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He looked pretty solid in his first period with the team.
Agreed. He was our best defenseman in that period. His offensive instincts looked much better than I expected.

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Agreed. He was our best defenseman in that period. His offensive instincts looked much better than I expected.
agree, seems like he has a nice shot too

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The only reason Isles fans are upset is that there was a thread two or three days prior to the deadline with a link saying that Snow was holding out for more then a 2nd rounder. It increased the expectations for his return.
The problem with HF is the lack of reality. Why trades and signings always have to be bad or steals? Always the extremes, in a Fuhr fashion.

Does the word FAIR even exist in here?

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I'll admit I haven't seen Sutton play this year, nor have I really paid much attention to him since his days in Atlanta, where I did not think he was a real good player.

But, even if he is much better than I remember, I cannot imagine him being a player that propels the Sens to winning the cup. Scott Niedermayer he is not.

Maybe he'll cause them to win two rounds instead of one, but that is the best result I would hope for from this trade.
This trade and the price we paid (a 2nd rounder lol) isn't to propel the Sens to the CUP. It is just AN ATTEMPT to make this team better in HOPE to WIN a playoff round or more. Every playoff round you win is a bonus nowadays, there's just too much parity in this league.

Of course, it's a matter of "windows". Teams like the Caps, Pens and Hawks who have been drafting very high for years have to become serious contenders for many years to compensate for the poor years in the basement. That doesn't happen with the Habs, Sens, Flames, Canucks but apparently it does with the Oilers and LEAFS

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But consider the downside -> in the cap era, a steady flow of prospects is crucial to icing a competitive team. Without prospects, and restrained by the cap from building thru UFAs, a team will eventually become non-competitive.

No sane person would claim that this one 2nd round pick will be the difference between making or not making the playoffs some year. But I believe the consistent organizational policy of trading 2nd round picks for rentals will.

And if asked whether I would choose to have one extra round of playoffs in April 2010 at the expense of suffering thru an entire season of crappy hockey in 2015-16, personally I would not make that tradeoff.
I'm that same person that claimed that the best way to build a hockey team is through the draft and those 2 deals doesn't change the plan for the Sens. They still picked up some good prospects in the past and still will do.

You don't need 300 prospects, you just need a few to make the NHL every once in a while.

Recently, Elliott, Foligno, Karlsson, Regin, Winchester, Lee have made the team. Add Z.Smith and Cowen to that list soon (hopefully). Add some of all the current prospects in the future (Wiercioch, Petersson, Silfverberg, Grant, Blood,...)

Worse case scenario, you make trades or you sign a player or two on the UFA market to fill your needs. You can also find NHL players in college (Murray found guys like Penner, Kunitz, Winchester,...)

There is absolutely no reason to panick over the loss of 2 draft picks. In a rebuild scenario, i would love us to stockpile picks like nobody's business, but rebuilds rarely happens in Canadian hockey markets. Better get used to it (and i don't really want it to happen ever, i'd rather be the Red Wings* WHO NEVER RELIED ON DRAFTING HIGH)

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PS : So far in Murray's regime, we always had 4 picks in the first 4 rounds (1st + 2nd + 3rd + 4th or better). In fact, we had an extra 4th pick in 08 and a 2nd pick instead of a 3rd in 09. For now, we'll lose that "extra 2nd" next draft, but maybe Murray can pick one up somehow...

2009 Entry

2009 Entry 9 1 Jared Cowen D Spokane Chiefs [WHL]
2009 Entry 39 2 Jakob Silfverberg W Brynas Jrs. (Sweden)
2009 Entry 46 2 Robin Lehner G Frolunda Jrs. (Sweden)
2009 Entry 100 4 Chris Wideman D Miami University (Ohio) [NCAA]
2009 Entry 130 5 Mike Hoffman C Drummondville Voltigeurs [QMJHL]
2009 Entry 146 5 Jeff Costello L Cedar Rapids RoughRiders [USHL]
2009 Entry 160 6 Corey Cowick L Ottawa 67's [OHL]
2009 Entry 190 7 Brad Peltz L Avon Old Farms (Conn.)
2009 Entry 191 7 Michael Sdao D Lincoln Stars [USHL]

2008 Entry

2008 Entry 15 1 Erik Karlsson D Frolunda Jrs (Sweden)
2008 Entry 42 2 Patrick Wiercioch D Omaha Lancers [USHL]
2008 Entry 79 3 Zack Smith C Swift Current Broncos [WHL]
2008 Entry 109 4 Andre Petersson W HV 71 Jrs. (Sweden)
2008 Entry 119 4 Derek Grant C Langley Chiefs [BCHL]
2008 Entry 139 5 Mark Borowiecki D Smiths Falls Bears [CJAHL]
2008 Entry 199 7 Emil Sandin L Brynas IF Gavle [SEL]

2007 Entry

2007 Entry 29 1 Jim O'Brien C U. of Minnesota [NCAA]
2007 Entry 60 2 Ruslan Bashkirov L Quebec Remparts [QMJHL]
2007 Entry 90 3 Louie Caporusso F St. Michael's Buzzers [OPJHL]
2007 Entry 120 4 Ben Blood D Shattuck St. Mary's [Minn.]

I hope people will read this post and discover another way/angle of seing things, because the "panick" over draft picks around here is getting ridiculous.

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Pavel Datsyuk C 13 7/20/1978 5-11 197 L Sverdlovsk, RUS Detroit(1998)6,171
Kris Draper C 33 5/24/1971 5-10 192 L Toronto, CAN Winnipeg(1989)3,62
Valtteri Filppula C 51 3/20/1984 5-11 174 L Vantaa, FIN Detroit(2002)3,95
Johan Franzen C 93 12/23/1979 6-3 220 L Vetlanda, SWE Detroit(2004)3,97
Darren Helm C 43 1/21/1987 5-11 172 L Winnipeg, CAN Detroit(2005)5,132
Mattias Ritola C 42 3/14/1987 6-0 192 L Borlange, SWE Detroit(2005)4,103
Jason Williams C 29 8/11/1980 5-11 194 R London, CAN Undrafted
Justin Abdelkader L 8 2/25/1987 6-1 210 L Muskegon, USA Detroit(2005)2,42
Tomas Holmstrom L 96 1/23/1973 6-0 202 L Pitea, SWE Detroit(1994)10,257
Kirk Maltby L 18 12/22/1972 6-0 200 R Guelph, CAN Edmonton(1992)3,65
Brad May L 24 11/29/1971 6-1 213 L Toronto, CAN Buffalo(1990)1,14 (lol)
Drew Miller L 20 2/17/1984 6-2 185 L Dover, USA Anaheim(2003)6,186
Henrik Zetterberg L 40 10/9/1980 5-11 195 L Sundsvall, SWE Detroit(1999)7,210
Todd Bertuzzi R 44 2/2/1975 6-3 227 L Sudbury, CAN Ny Islanders(1993)1,23
Dan Cleary R 11 12/18/1978 6-0 210 L Carbonear, CAN Chicago(1997)1,13
Patrick Eaves R 17 5/1/1984 5-11 190 R Calgary, CAN Ottawa(2003)1,29
Jonathan Ericsson D 52 3/2/1984 6-5 201 L Karlskrona, SWE Detroit(2002)9,291
Doug Janik D 37 3/26/1980 6-2 209 L Agawam, USA Buffalo(1999)2,55
Jakub Kindl D 46 2/10/1987 6-3 199 L Sumperk, CZE Detroit(2005)1,19
Niklas Kronwall D 55 1/12/1981 6-0 189 L Stockholm, SWE Detroit(2000)1,29
Brett Lebda D 22 1/15/1982 5-9 194 L Buffalo Grove, USA Undrafted
Nicklas Lidstrom D 5 4/28/1970 6-1 193 L Vasteras, SWE Detroit(1989)3,53
Andreas Lilja D 3 7/13/1975 6-3 230 L Sweden, SWE Los Angeles(2000)2,54
Derek Meech D 14 4/21/1984 5-11 182 L Winnipeg, CAN Detroit(2002)7,229
Brian Rafalski D 28 9/28/1973 5-10 195 R Dearborn, USA Undrafted
Brad Stuart D 23 11/6/1979 6-2 213 L Rocky Mountain House, CAN San Jose(1998)1,3
Ole-Kristian Tollefsen D 55 3/29/1984 6-2 211 L Norway, NOR Columbus(2002)3,65
Jimmy Howard G 35 3/26/1984 6-0 218 L Syracuse, USA Detroit(2003)2,64
Daniel Larsson G 31 2/7/1986 6-0 170 L Boden, SWE Detroit(2006)3,92
Chris Osgood G 30 11/26/1972 5-10 176 L Peace River, CAN Detroit(1991)3,54

Bertuzzi (not drafted by the Wings, on the downhill), Eaves, May, Abdelkader, Lilja and are hardly key players for the Wings.

Kronwall, Howard, Cleary and Stuart (not even drafted by the Wings) are important, maybe Kindl in the future.

We have way more 1st/2nd round picks on our actual roster than them, like many NHL teams. That doesn't garantee success AT ALL. But i agree that Top-5 picks DO.


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