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03-04-2010, 08:55 AM
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This trade is like the latendresse trade

hopefully its a win-win situation for both teams.

I think D'agostini has potential its just that his injury really messed his brains up...

He'll be better next season...boook it!

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03-04-2010, 09:22 AM
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The Habs seem to like the Michigan program. Komisarek, Pacioretty, Pateryn, Palushaj and Mac Bennett. Pacioretty and Palushaj were roomates at Michigan, Pateryn and Palushaj were teammates last year at Michigan, so these guys are familiar with one another.

During last nights Bulldog game, Palushaj was interviewed, he spoke highly of the organization based off what Pacioretty had told him, so it's good that he has Max around to help with the transition.

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I had no idea who Palushaj was, but am pretty happy with the return since D'agostini was pretty much useless for so long. Kind of like Garth Murray that stick around for too long.

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Look at the first 4 years of each player, it is so identical!!! Don't shoot me, I don't say Palushaj will become Paul Stastny, but we have a very good stat comparison here!

Aaron Palushaj
2005-06 Des Moines Buccaneers USHL 58 10 23 33
2006-07 Des Moines Buccaneers USHL 56 22 45 67
2007-08 U. of Michigan NCAA 43 10 34 44 22
2008-09 U. of Michigan NCAA 39 13 37 50 26
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=94000

Paul Stastny
2002-03 River City Lancers USHL 57 10 20 30
2003-04 River City Lancers USHL 56 30 47 77
2004-05 U. of Denver NCAA 40 15 27 42 26
2005-06 U. of Denver NCAA 39 19 34 53 79
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=94000


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Look at the first 4 years of each player, it is so identical!!! Don't shoot me, I don't say Palushaj will become Paul Stastny, but we have a very good stat comparison here!

Aaron Palushaj
2005-06 Des Moines Buccaneers USHL 58 10 23
2006-07 Des Moines Buccaneers USHL 56 22 45
2007-08 U. of Michigan NCAA 43 10 34 44 22
2008-09 U. of Michigan NCAA 39 13 37 50 26
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=94000

Paul Stastny
2002-03 River City Lancers USHL 57 10 20 30
2003-04 River City Lancers USHL 56 30 47 77
2004-05 U. of Denver NCAA 40 15 27 42 26
2005-06 U. of Denver NCAA 39 19 34 53 79
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=94000
Aside from the 1st year pro stats - which show you the difference in the players.

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FWIW in two NHL preseason games this season he 1 assist, was a +1, and had 3 shots.

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Aside from the 1st year pro stats - which show you the difference in the players.
No doubt, the Stastny's progression in pro was incredible. But don't forget Palushaj is alsao very very young, is almost 1 year younger than his draft year... Then, to be fair, it's rather next year we will see if Palushaj is like Paul Stastny

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I had no idea who Palushaj was, but am pretty happy with the return since D'agostini was pretty much useless for so long. Kind of like Garth Murray that stick around for too long.
pffft, don't insult Garth Murray

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I'm actually pretty high on Palushaj. Whenever people spoke of St. Louis' prospect depth, his name was always mentioned.

Why the Blues traded him for D'Agostini, I'm unsure, but I don't think it's a knock against Palushaj.

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I'm actually pretty high on Palushaj. Whenever people spoke of St. Louis' prospect depth, his name was always mentioned.

Why the Blues traded him for D'Agostini, I'm unsure, but I don't think it's a knock against Palushaj.
I think we all under-estimated D'Agostini. Take a look at his stats in pro... Also, d'Agostini is NHL ready, not Palushaj which doesn't have a very good 1st year in the AHL.


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I think we all under-estimated D'Agostini. Take a look at his stats in pro... Also, d'Agostini isa NHL ready, not Palushaj which doesn't have a very good 1st year in the AHL.
I agree. We have to remember he's been able to contribute at an NHL level.

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03-04-2010, 10:44 AM
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I think we all under-estimated D'Agostini. Take a look at his stats in pro... Also, d'Agostini isa NHL ready, not Palushaj which doesn't have a very good 1st year in the AHL.
And after you're done looking at that, check out Corey Locke's stats in pro.

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To me its clear St. louis thinks D'ago has good potential to be a scorer for them. In Montreal he showed he had a good shot, but seemed to be tunnel visioned. In Palushaj we get the familiarity advantage. As already mentioned Patches and Palu know each other well. See a trend in the Montreal organization? We get Ryan White, soon after we sign Trotter. Both knew each other from Manitoba. We acquire Maxwell, and a year or two later we trade a 7th for Ryan Russell, the captain of the former teammate and captain of the Kootenay Ice. We sign Dany Masse and Lefevre, both of whom played on Guy Bouchers club last season. Not to mention the signing of Desharnais who was playing on a team Carbonneau owned.

So the Habs brass, and probably Timmins really feel as if former relationships are important, and they are. Clearly the main philosophy of both Timmins and Gauthier is to create a family atmosphere. I completely agree with this.

Now on a further note on Palushaj, those who feel he may not reach the NHL can simply look at a player like Mike Ribeiro. Not the most physical guy, but clearly has skill and judging on Palushaj's statistics he does have skill. He is only 20 years old and likely will make the NHL at 22. Look for he and Pacioretty to make the Canadiens on the same line. I can really see a future line of Pacioretty - Leblanc - Palushaj.

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And after you're done looking at that, check out Corey Locke's stats in pro.
The difference is that scouts and gm's know the difference. They can see that D'Agostini has NHL speed and an NHL shot, while being able to produce in the NHL last year, in his first full season in the NHL.

Perhaps the blues did a bit of a panick move here, on top of the fact that they are loaded with prospects, since they have one of the best head scouts in the business, they know they can replace Palushaj at the draft.

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(...)I can really see a future line of Pacioretty - Leblanc - Palushaj.
That would be a sweet second line and an even more amazing third.

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And after you're done looking at that, check out Corey Locke's stats in pro.
They aren't better than D'Agostini and he is 5'9"...

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I think we all under-estimated D'Agostini. Take a look at his stats in pro... Also, d'Agostini isa NHL ready, not Palushaj which doesn't have a very good 1st year in the AHL.
Judge a prospect by stats is so dumb , everyone knows this kid has the talent. Did you even know he had a high ankle sprain in the beginning of the season. High ankle sprains are the worst in terms of rehabilation , it takes forever to get back to 100% , if you don't believe me , ask Crosby.
Dagostini wasn't garbage by any means but Palushaj made our prospect pool that more interesting.

Kristo-Leblanc-Palushaj will be very interesting to see.

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They aren't better than D'Agostini and he is 5'9"...
tell me you're joking.. Corey Locke is a ppg player in the AHL for many years now, and D'Agostini might as well be 5'6

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Judge a prospect by stats is so dumb , everyone knows this kid has the talent. Did you even know he had a high ankle sprain in the beginning of the season. High ankle sprains are a the worst in terms of rehabilation , it takes forever to get back to 100% , if you don't believe me , ask Crosby.
We can judge prospect by stats like we can judge NHL player by stats. Stats aren't not all, of course, but there are a really strong factor in prospect evaluation...

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tell me you're joking.. Corey Locke is a ppg player in the AHL for many years now, and D'Agostini might as well be 5'6
Check yourself and you will see I'm not joking...

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We can judge prospect by stats like we can judge NHL player by stats. Stats aren't not all, of course, but there are a really strong factor in prospect evaluation...
Did you factor in his high ankle sprain ? Did you factor in a horribly managed Peoria squad?
Did you also forget about how well he played for U.S in the junior tourney?

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Check yourself and you will se I'm not joking...
OOkay there bud, I checked, double checked, and triple checked. Locke still has better stats. Why are you arguing this you got nothing.

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We can judge prospect by stats like we can judge NHL player by stats. Stats aren't not all, of course, but there are a really strong factor in prospect evaluation...
But that is flawed. To me, the only way you can judge a prospect is by actually watching him play. Stats don't tell the whole story. I'm not trying to single you out, but I wish many of these stat geeks (not saying you're one of them) on HF would realize this.

Out of these 2, who do you think people would have considered the better prospect (if they went solely on stats)? I'm just using these 2 as an example.

Simon Gamache - http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=43789

Mike Richards - http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=59738

If we used stats, guys like Gamache, Locke, Brendl etc.. would be sure-fire superstars in this league.

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But that is flawed. To me, the only way you can judge a prospect is by actually watching him play. Stats don't tell the whole story.

Out of these 2, who do you think people would have considered the better prospect (if they went solely on stats)? I'm just using these 2 as an example.

Simon Gamache - http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=43789

Mike Richards - http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=59738

If we used stats, guys like Gamache, Locke, Brendl etc.. would be sure-fire superstars in this league.
EXACTLY

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But that is flawed. To me, the only way you can judge a prospect is by actually watching him play. Stats don't tell the whole story.

Out of these 2, who do you think people would have considered the better prospect (if they went solely on stats)? I'm just using these 2 as an example.

Simon Gamache - http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=43789

Mike Richards - http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=59738

If we used stats, guys like Gamache, Locke, Brendl etc.. would be sure-fire superstars in this league.
I'm sorry for you, but Mike Richards had better stats than Gamache at his draft age. You have to analyse and understand stats well to put a judgment, and it's clear you missed it... Gamache is also 5'10" and Richards 6', come on, give me a better exemple...

I never said stats are telling the whole story. But there are telling a big part of the story. You have to see him play also, no doubt on that. But if you want to play in NHL, you have to put numbers.

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