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03-05-2010, 08:58 AM
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Samuelsson or Demitra?

Hello Canuck fans,

Yes, I know it's probably not the right place to put this topic but I'm wondering who will perform better down the stretch points wise Samuelsson or Demitra?

As an aside where do you guys see Edler fitting in on the PP once Bieksa gets back, does he get bumped off the 2nd unit? decreased ice time?

Any feedback would be helpful, thanks!

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Edler's crisp passes and hard shot are essential on the PP. Likely, Demitra gets moved onto the sideboards on the 2nd Unit, and Wellwood/Bernier share time if required on the 2nd unit.

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i would most certainly expect Demitra to outpoint Sammy, barring injury

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The guy playing on the 2nd line will get more points.

The poor sucker that has to play on the 3rd line with Wellwood and Glass/Bernier (when he returns) will find it very difficult to get points

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03-05-2010, 10:53 AM
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In the regular season, Demitra. He definitely appears to be riding a hot streak right now.

If we make the playoffs, Samuelsson. The guy's a proven winner in big game play and while Demitra can still tack up some points, he does disappear a bit in the physicality of the NHL playoffs. I think that he'll still be a key cog, though.

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I'd say Demitra will out perform Samuelsson statistically down the stretch as well. It's anything but a guarantee but if I had to chose one or the other I'd go with Demo

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I feel bad for which ever one gets stuck on the 3rd line. Glass/Bernier are such anchors down there. I feel like Wellwood plays as well as the worst player on his line. So if Demo or Sammy goes there Wellwood still plays like Tanner. But if Grabner comes back and some type of shuffle happens with that 3rd line having 2 talented types to play with Welly then MAYBE just MAYBE some points might happen.

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Samuelsson is still getting first unit PP minutes with the Sedins plus he always gets the shift with the Sedins after Burrows is out killing penalties. It's quite a good way to keep a skilled play happy when he's playing on the third line.

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I would be interested to see a Grabner-Wellwood-Demitra 3rd line and roll three lines of offense, but I doubt it will happen. AV likes to have designated checking and grit lines.

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Sammy for sure. Easily.

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battle of the bad signings?

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battle of the bad signings?
How is Samuelsson a bad signing?

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Demitra, unless he plays himself off the second line, which I doubt...

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How is Samuelsson a bad signing?
2.5 M a year for a thrid line player?

Maybe for one year it would have been fine.

What happens next season, when one of our younger players would be better suited in that role at less cost?

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2.5 M a year for a thrid line player?

Maybe for one year it would have been fine.

What happens next season, when one of our younger players would be better suited in that role at less cost?
He also plays powerplay and can slot into the 2nd line when necessary.

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He also plays powerplay and can slot into the 2nd line when necessary.
Woopty fricken doo daa!

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For 2.5 million you think that's too much?

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For 2.5 million you think that's too much?
Like I said before 2.5 million is too much on a term longer than 1 year.

We have Kesler and Raymond to deal with this off-season, and we could fill that 3rd line role next year with a younger player who makes far less money, without much of a drop off in production at all.

There would be no need to use Sammy on the PP, if Av would wake up and give Burrows the oppourtunity that he more than deserves.

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There would be no need to use Sammy on the PP, if Av would wake up and give Burrows the oppourtunity that he more than deserves.
Alex Burrows has 3 PPG in roughly 86 minutes of PP action this season. Throwing out the games where he did not receive any PP action, he has averaged 1:21 of PP TOI/GM.

Samuelsson has 6 PPG in roughly 185 minutes of PP action, so he's producing at a slightly slower pace than Burrows.

That being said, the difference is relatively negligent.

I'd rather have Burrows' wheels saved for the PK, where he is miles better than Samuelsson.

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Demo is a better player than Sammy when healthy, plain and simple.

Nothing against Sammy, just a reality.

Edler is PP material, but KB gets a lot of love there. End of the day I see us having...

Hoff + Edler
KB + Salo as our pairings, with Salo and Edler switching positions depending on the urgency of the PP.

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2.5 M a year for a thrid line player?

Maybe for one year it would have been fine.

What happens next season, when one of our younger players would be better suited in that role at less cost?
Since when is a (likely) 25 goal 50 point guy a 3rd liner? Right now Samuelsson is 77th among forwards in points and 28th in goals. Given that there are 90 guys playing on a 1st line at any given time, that's unquestionably low end 1st line/higher end 2nd line production.

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Alex Burrows has 3 PPG in roughly 86 minutes of PP action this season. Throwing out the games where he did not receive any PP action, he has averaged 1:21 of PP TOI/GM.

Samuelsson has 6 PPG in roughly 185 minutes of PP action, so he's producing at a slightly slower pace than Burrows.

That being said, the difference is relatively negligent.

I'd rather have Burrows' wheels saved for the PK, where he is miles better than Samuelsson.
That doesn't take into account the fact that the PP has been more successful with Samuelsson on it as a whole. If you just want to look at production, Samuelsson has 12 points on the PP. Burrows has 4. Sammy just seems to work better with the Sedins on that unit.

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Digger...be smarter.

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Demo is a better player than Sammy when healthy, plain and simple.

Nothing against Sammy, just a reality.

Edler is PP material, but KB gets a lot of love there. End of the day I see us having...

Hoff + Edler
KB + Salo as our pairings, with Salo and Edler switching positions depending on the urgency of the PP.
Bieksa gets the time because he and Salo are the only right handed shots. The Sedins usually like to have right handed shots to work with on the PP.

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Digger...be smarter.
I think digger needs to look up some stats, sammy would be like 2nd/3rd in scoring for Calgary

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