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03-03-2010, 03:00 PM
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Maybe my english is bad. I'm not saying Pronger hasn't been good for us or that I don't want him. I'm saying we overpaid and moved the only real movable assets we had for him. That is ok if Pronger would have been the last missing piece. Turns out he wasn't (unless we win..... Yeah, right). That trade crippled us alot more than Jones on re-entry even if that move is a far bigger misstake. Cap isn't our biggest issue, lack of assets is.
How do we lack in assets?

We have 2 scoring lines, a 3rd line that's teetering on the edge of a scoring line, and a hardcore defensive 4th line. In other words, we have 4 offensive lines that we can play at just about any time of the game.

Some teams are lucky to have 2 good lines and 2 lines of AHLers/scrubs. Plus we have a Hart winning defenseman, an All Star defenseman (Kimmo), and a few other solid defensemen. The only lacking asset is a goaltender. We're lucky that's all we're lacking.

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I'm happy we didn't make any trades...I love our the team the way it is (yes, Leighton included). We may not be the best team in the conference but I guarantee everybody in the Eastern Conference does not want to play us in the playoffs. I hope we rip shyt up in the playoffs so we can shut all those idiots up who think we can't contend.

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I find it interesting people are pointing to the fact that Nitty is having a career year, but refuse to accept that leighton might be too.
Sure, Nitty had a great olympics once, but was never able to win the job here, and rightfully so.

LEighton's success is obviously a product of the improved Defense, but that's just what the Defense is, vastly improved.

I also think Leighton has gotten beyond the lucky point is really putting some good games together.

Nitty got lit up last night on not that many shots.
Leighton faced a lot of rubber and played well.

What gives?

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How do we lack in assets?

We have 2 scoring lines, a 3rd line that's teetering on the edge of a scoring line, and a hardcore defensive 4th line. In other words, we have 4 offensive lines that we can play at just about any time of the game.

Some teams are lucky to have 2 good lines and 2 lines of AHLers/scrubs. Plus we have a Hart winning defenseman, an All Star defenseman (Kimmo), and a few other solid defensemen. The only lacking asset is a goaltender. We're lucky that's all we're lacking.
I meant movable assets. For situations like I don't know.... Today...? We needed a goalie.

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How do we lack in assets?

We have 2 scoring lines, a 3rd line that's teetering on the edge of a scoring line, and a hardcore defensive 4th line. In other words, we have 4 offensive lines that we can play at just about any time of the game.
Assets = things you can move to get something.
Flyers currently don't have anyone they could or would move with value.

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I still think we should ahve made a push for Price or Halak. Who knows, maybe we did. Neither of these guys were even rumour'd about.

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I meant movable assets. For situations like I don't know.... Today...? We needed a goalie.
But that's my point, the only thing we need is a goalie. The fact that no one else is movable is a good thing. It means everything else is good. Why screw that up, on top of the chemistry the team has developed since October? There's a good amount of goalies on the market come June/July, worry about it then.

Edit: There seems to be this fear of Leighton. Unproven? Sure. But so far he's 13-3-1. Call me crazy, but he's proven himself over a decent chunk of time. Does the guy have to go 82-0-0 for everyone around here to think that he might just work for this team?

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I agree that lack of assets killed this team more than lack of cap space. If you have assets, you can tip toe around the cap problems.
Thank you for being just about the only one not to misunderstand me. I didn't think my english was that bad...

Do you also agree that Homer overpayed in the Pronger trade? Or maybe that's just me.

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How do we lack in assets?

We have 2 scoring lines, a 3rd line that's teetering on the edge of a scoring line, and a hardcore defensive 4th line. In other words, we have 4 offensive lines that we can play at just about any time of the game.

Some teams are lucky to have 2 good lines and 2 lines of AHLers/scrubs. Plus we have a Hart winning defenseman, an All Star defenseman (Kimmo), and a few other solid defensemen. The only lacking asset is a goaltender. We're lucky that's all we're lacking.
He said movable assets. Are you stoned? We have none of those. We will be getting no more top-6 worthy young players for, what, at least 4 years (assuming some conditioning in the AHL/NCAA is needed) and the three young guys we have, JVR/Giroux/Carter aren't able to be traded. We desperately need them all moving forward.

So, we don't have a real goalie and by the time we have another injection of significant talent, Pronger and Kimmo and Briere will be shells of their former selves... yet still, of course, drawing big money.

Homer ****ed us. He ****ed us for the next 4-6 years. I'm not saying that we'll miss the playoffs (though we may) but we won't be among the elite of the league, not even close. **** you Homer. **** you.

The only chance this team has is if the next CBA really benefits big market teams like the Flyers in one form or another.

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Ha, busiest Trade Deadline ever.

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Ha, busiest Trade Deadline ever.
Salary cap ramifications.

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I meant movable assets. For situations like I don't know.... Today...? We needed a goalie.
Goaltending is overrated. Moving a major piece for anyone but Vokoun would have been a complete failure.

Giroux/JVR for Price/Halak/Harding = FAILURE.
Gagne/Hartnell for Thomas/Turco = FAILURE.

We don't need movable assets. We need a goalie like Ray Emery to stay healthy. You can't control what's on the market, and honestly, I saw no players moved that could really make our team better in ways that wouldn't hurt us long-term.

We turned:

John Stevens
Ole-Kristian Tollefsen
5th round 2011

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Peter Laviolette
Lukas Krajicek
Mike Leighton
Ville Leino
Luke Pither
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He said movable assets. Are you stoned? We have none of those. We will be getting no more top-6 worthy young players for, what, at least 4 years (assuming some conditioning in the AHL/NCAA is needed) and the three young guys we have, JVR/Giroux/Carter aren't able to be traded. We desperately need them all moving forward.

So, we don't have a real goalie and by the time we have another injection of significant talent, Pronger and Kimmo and Briere will be shells of their former selves... yet still, of course, drawing big money.

Homer ****ed us. He ****ed us for the next 4-6 years. I'm not saying that we'll miss the playoffs (though we may) but we won't be among the elite of the league, not even close. **** you Homer. **** you.

The only chance this team has is if the next CBA really benefits big market teams like the Flyers in one form or another.
Why do we need top 6 forwards coming in when we have a solid group of top 6 guys for many years to come

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How do we lack in assets?

We have 2 scoring lines, a 3rd line that's teetering on the edge of a scoring line, and a hardcore defensive 4th line. In other words, we have 4 offensive lines that we can play at just about any time of the game.

Some teams are lucky to have 2 good lines and 2 lines of AHLers/scrubs. Plus we have a Hart winning defenseman, an All Star defenseman (Kimmo), and a few other solid defensemen. The only lacking asset is a goaltender. We're lucky that's all we're lacking.
you dont understand what assets are. Picks, attractive prospects etc

going forward we really need Briere or hartnell to waive NTCs

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I'm happy we didn't make any trades...I love our the team the way it is (yes, Leighton included). We may not be the best team in the conference but I guarantee everybody in the Eastern Conference does not want to play us in the playoffs. I hope we rip shyt up in the playoffs so we can shut all those idiots up who think we can't contend.
I agree with this, although I am pissed that we couldn't make a move for a goalie.

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He said movable assets. Are you stoned? We have none of those. We will be getting no more top-6 worthy young players for, what, at least 4 years (assuming some conditioning in the AHL/NCAA is needed) and the three young guys we have, JVR/Giroux/Carter aren't able to be traded. We desperately need them all moving forward.

So, we don't have a real goalie and by the time we have another injection of significant talent, Pronger and Kimmo and Briere will be shells of their former selves... yet still, of course, drawing big money.

Homer ****ed us. He ****ed us for the next 4-6 years. I'm not saying that we'll miss the playoffs (though we may) but we won't be among the elite of the league, not even close. **** you Homer. **** you.

The only chance this team has is if the next CBA really benefits big market teams like the Flyers in one form or another.
I'm not quite this pessimistic, but we really need a ****ing goalie for the longterm, some of us have been complaining about this for more than 5 years.

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Goaltending is overrated. Moving a major piece for anyone but Vokoun would have been a complete failure.

Giroux/JVR for Price/Halak/Harding = FAILURE.
Gagne/Hartnell for Thomas/Turco = FAILURE.

We don't need movable assets. We need a goalie like Ray Emery to stay healthy. You can't control what's on the market, and honestly, I saw no players moved that could really make our team better in ways that wouldn't hurt us long-term.

We turned:

John Stevens
Ole-Kristian Tollefsen
5th round 2011

Into:

Peter Laviolette
Lukas Krajicek
Mike Leighton
Ville Leino
Luke Pither
Shane Harper
So much of that is wrong.

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I would seriously try to get Briere to waive his NMC for Montreal's 6th RD pick in the offseason. And I like Briere, but we need the cap room moving forward.

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Watch Leighton go out there tonight and tear something. And no, I will not take it back.

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I would seriously try to get Briere to waive his NMC for Montreal's 6th RD pick in the offseason. And I like Briere, but we need the cap room moving forward.
He's worth well more than a 6th, even with his horrible contract.

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Why even mention these guys? This wasn't shrewd management, this was signing guys because your scouts liked them. And they don't help us now. When they traded for Pronger, it was all about the now. Michael Leighton is going to be left holding the back when he doesn't deserve to

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Atleast Homer admits we aren't favored for the cup. He is pretty much going with "Anything can happen" comment.

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I would seriously try to get Briere to waive his NMC for Montreal's 6th RD pick in the offseason. And I like Briere, but we need the cap room moving forward.
Wouldn't help us with our lack of assets

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Heh, we've gone from "Relentless" and "Cup Contenders" to "anything can happen."

How is he not fired?

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