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03-04-2010, 02:30 PM
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OK, Heres what I came up with.

Patty - Pavs - Heat
Clowe - Mitchell - Seto
Manny - JT - Ortmeyer
McGinn - Nichol - Stabby

I figured No to Pavs with Clowe, and Patty NEEDs some help with D-awareness or he crumbles... Pavs would help there. plus patty's and JT's lines both have two good face-off guys. Seto has some speed and Clowe brings size.

V2 would cheat and swap seto and ort, making JT's line #2 and clowes #3... I originally was gonna make this thread a "Spend less than 10M (or maybe 11M) total for joes line" thread.

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03-04-2010, 05:48 PM
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Marleau-Malhotra-Setoguchi
Heatley-Pavelski-Ormeyer
Mitchell-Nichol-McGinn
Clowe-Thornton-Staubitz

Am I doing it right?
Winner, winner, seafood dinner.

Clowe - Thornton- Staubitz have about the same gear in terms of flow.
The rest of the lines are excellent. Playoffs here we come.

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Don't know about you guys but Jumbo has played with some hustle the last two games. I hope he keeps it up in the play offs.

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03-05-2010, 12:21 PM
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Don't know about you guys but Jumbo has played with some hustle the last two games. I hope he keeps it up in the play offs.
he was to for the majority of the games before the olympics to, and also during the olympics. but nobody ever seems to notice the hustle when thornton does it.

thornton has to many ways to criticize him.

he's scoring lots, he's not doing the little things and working hard = bad

he's not scoring, but doing the little things and working hard = bad

to many people expect perfection from thornton, and really it isn't fair.

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What a dumb suggestion.

I mean, Thornton on the top line has been working wonders in the playoffs. Look at all the cups we've won.

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You don't pay a 3rd liner 7.5m. That's the crux of the real issue with this discussion.

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it really doesn't matter, you could put thornton out on the ice, with just the goalie, and the other team would still send out its top defensive pairing to play against him.

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This is what i would do:

Marleau - Malhotra- Heatley
Clowe - Mitchell - Setoguchi
McGinn - Thornton - Pavelski
Ortmeyer - Nichol - McLaren/Staubitz/Ferriero

But in reality, i would like to see what a Pavelski - Thornton - Setoguchi line could do.

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03-05-2010, 02:53 PM
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it really doesn't matter, you could put thornton out on the ice, with just the goalie, and the other team would still send out its top defensive pairing to play against him.
That's the point... and now your other two lines are more beefy (scoring punch). How many teams have 3 D-pairings that can contain thornton?

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That's the point... and now your other two lines are more beefy (scoring punch). How many teams have 3 D-pairings that can contain thornton?
or you take away 1 of the biggest threats on the ice, and take away his scoring. and then the other 2 lines can't contribute enough to make up for thorntons lack of scoring because he's on a line with 2 scrub players.

so instead of spreading out the wealth, you are hindering the offense.

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You don't pay a 3rd liner 7.5m. That's the crux of the real issue with this discussion.
How about 7.2m then?

But seriously, its not like a traditional 3rd line... its more like having 3 scoring lines. Would the competition play, Manny - Thornton - Ortmeyer as if they were a 3rd line? If so, thornton could burn them. Let's not forget, he'd have decent d-men to pass to a good percentage of the time.

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or you take away 1 of the biggest threats on the ice, and take away his scoring. and then the other 2 lines can't contribute enough to make up for thorntons lack of scoring because he's on a line with 2 scrub players.

so instead of spreading out the wealth, you are hindering the offense.
It would depend on the team your playing. What happens when Patty - JT - Heat, is getting shut down... which we've seen in the regular season BTW (let alone the higher probability of it happening during the POs)? Now you have most of your punch being contained by one super-solid d-pairing and line.

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It would depend on the team your playing. What happens when Patty - JT - Heat, is getting shut down... which we've seen in the regular season BTW (let alone the higher probability of it happening during the POs)? Now you have most of your punch being contained by one super-solid d-pairing and line.
i'm not argueing against rolling 3 lines, but just that some people are putting thornton with the likes of staubitz and clowe (this would be the worst line in the history of the nhl even with thornton centering it)

that line would step on the ice, and not even 20 seconds later the sharks would be going to the penalty kill.

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i'm not argueing against rolling 3 lines, but just that some people are putting thornton with the likes of staubitz and clowe (this would be the worst line in the history of the nhl even with thornton centering it)

that line would step on the ice, and not even 20 seconds later the sharks would be going to the penalty kill.
Well, those people think they're being funny. I'm just of the opinion that we depend on JT's line, we've seen his line get shut down before, and that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

Maybe Patty-JT-Heat is enough to overwhelm in the PO's. If so, great, of course you don't mess with that.

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Its funny because no matter how you stack the lines, any line JT is on is automatically a top 2 line.

I'll try to put one together where JT's line would be #3 in production:

Marleau-Pavelski-McGinn
Heatley-Malholtra-Setoguchi
Nichol-Thornton-Staubitz
Clowe-Mitchell-Ortmeyer

I think the top 2 lines would be better than #3, but overall these lines would blow.

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Soooo... despite being able to elevate his game and be a big game player, we must play him on the 1st line because he makes 7.5m?

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Soooo... despite being able to elevate his game and be a big game player, we must play him on the 1st line because he makes 7.5m?
No. He's on the first line because any opposing coach that sees him on the ice is going to judge that the first line has been put on the ice because he knows any coach that put Thornton on the ice would be an idiot not to put him on the first line and he can feel comfortable that no coach in the NHL is that BIG of an idiot.

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