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03-03-2010, 10:46 PM
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We have no idea what Tambellini was being offered for Visnovsky. One would HOPE that he took the best deal available.
why? just to save 1.6M \ yr or to go for the 1st overall next season? this deal makes our D corp worse then half the AHL teams.

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03-03-2010, 10:47 PM
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As I said yesterday I wanted to keep visnovsky because I liked him but in reality almost all the older veterans need to go.

Like most of you I would have also liked a higher draft pick but the trade is not the disaster it is being made out yo be.
Ryan Whitney was drafted 4th overall in the 2002 entry draft by Pittsburgh.

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03-03-2010, 10:48 PM
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Let Cole play 40 games before we really judge him.

Let Lupul get a season under his belt before you judge him.

Let Souray get a full, productive season in before you judge him.

Let Patrick O'Sullivan play 40 games before we judge him.

Let Pitkanen get a year under his belt before we judge him.

etc. etc.

The people in Edmonton aren't stupid. We've seen these things fail before, and by all accounts Ryan Whitney is not a great talent.

The pros far outweigh the cons, pardon us for being cynics. And rather than cynic, I prefer the title of realist, because it is what it is. Sure, let's give him 20 games. Let's give him 40, hell, let's give him a season. Prepare to be underwhelmed.

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03-03-2010, 10:49 PM
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Let Cole play 40 games before we really judge him.

Let Lupul get a season under his belt before you judge him.

Let Souray get a full, productive season in before you judge him.

Let Patrick O'Sullivan play 40 games before we judge him.

Let Pitkanen get a year under his bet before we judge him.

etc. etc.

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03-03-2010, 10:50 PM
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03-03-2010, 10:55 PM
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My issue is not the trade itself. I agree we should have received more. Whitney does have question marks.

My point is some posters who were against the trade, IMO over-reacted. (yes, I know posters are entitled to their opinion). Give Whitney a chance to prove or disprove himself. He is not a bad d-man. Hopefully, Whitney will be more valuable to the Oilers in three years, as compared to Visnovsky.

If you disagree, that's fine by me. I'm not here to get into personal arguments with other posters. Just stating my two cents.

If you agree, that's cool.

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03-03-2010, 10:58 PM
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- Visnovsky: $1.6m (his 5.6 - Whitney's incoming 4.0)
- Grebeshkov: 3.15
- Staios: 2.7
= $7,450,000

UFAs
- Pisani: 2.5
- Comrie: 1.25
- Strudwick: 0.7
- Johnson: 0.54

= $4,990,000

Total: $12,440,000


Awesome we now have the funds to spend on the UFA's that will never come here.

I love the value chart on this board sometimes

1- prospect depth
2 - cap space
3- draft position
4- actual decent NHLers

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03-03-2010, 10:59 PM
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Ryan Whitney was drafted 4th overall in the 2002 entry draft by Pittsburgh.
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Prepare to be underwhelmed.
Well until it happens i don't see the need to be overly "realistic".

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When healthy, he is. It's funny how nobody seemed to take Khabibulin's health issues into account, though.

Roloson's had a decent year but I certainly wouldn't want him tending our net at 41.
I don't know about you but a durabilty alongside the ability to stay out of the drunk tank are two attributes I like in my goaltender.

Health history should be weighed in any asset decision.

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03-03-2010, 11:02 PM
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Thanks tips.
It was actually 5th overall, not 4th overall.

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03-03-2010, 11:04 PM
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why? just to save 1.6M \ yr or to go for the 1st overall next season? this deal makes our D corp worse then half the AHL teams.
And how good has our d-core been with visnovsky?

I liked him too but let us be realistic this team is in 30th place!

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03-03-2010, 11:06 PM
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Awesome we now have the funds to spend on the UFA's that will never come here.

I love the value chart on this board sometimes

1- prospect depth
2 - cap space
3- draft position
4- actual decent NHLers
During a rebuild, surely you would prefer to have blue chip prospects, cap space and draft picks instead of a group of vetran players whom we're paying top dollar, to play on the worst team in the league?

What good is a guy like Vish to us now? With him, we're the worst team in the league. Without him, we're the worst team in the league. Why waste the extra money to get the same result?

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03-03-2010, 11:07 PM
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why? just to save 1.6M \ yr or to go for the 1st overall next season? this deal makes our D corp worse then half the AHL teams.
Exactly and why take a contract back?

If Vish is one of your only marketable assets and you want cap space, shed the player and get prospects and picks.

The Oiler moves, as usual, are contradictory and betray the fact that Oiler management basically operates on a whim of a plan.

Trade Grebs for a pick...OK I guess we are cleaning house.

Trade Vish for a player half as good and with 70% of the salary...OK I guess we are retooling

Staios gone for scraps......oh rebuild back on.

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03-03-2010, 11:08 PM
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During a rebuild, surely you would prefer to have blue chip prospects, cap space and draft picks instead of a group of vetran players whom we're paying top dollar, to play on the worst team in the league?

What good is a guy like Vish to us now? With him, we're the worst team in the league. Without him, we're the worst team in the league. Why waste the extra money to get the same result?
So why take back a contract?

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03-03-2010, 11:08 PM
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Awesome we now have the funds to spend on the UFA's that will never come here.

I love the value chart on this board sometimes

1- prospect depth
2 - cap space
3- draft position
4- actual decent NHLers
Yeah, because spending to the cap and finishing 30th is so much better.


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03-03-2010, 11:10 PM
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- Visnovsky: $1.6m (his 5.6 - Whitney's incoming 4.0)
- Grebeshkov: 3.15
- Staios: 2.7
= $7,450,000

UFAs
- Pisani: 2.5
- Comrie: 1.25
- Strudwick: 0.7
- Johnson: 0.54

= $4,990,000

Total: $12,440,000

I don't think you can include johnson's salary as well as staios. Anyways, it is a good start in shedding salary. It will continue to improve next year as well as Moreau is a UFA and Sully is a RFA. Worse case we let both of those guys walk and save us another 5M.

That doesn't leave us with a whole lot of "terrible" contracts. Really the only two bad contracts that Edmonton would have would be Horcoff and Khabibulin. Worse case they are both character guys that you want your youngsters to learn from.

1. It makes no sense to get rid of Horcoff now. We either bury him in the minors or we wait until he plays with Hemsky and inflates his numbers again... then trade him.

2. I really think that the goaltender position is fairly isolated. Having a guy that can steal you games in Khabby is necessary for a young growing defence. They need to know that not every single mistake that they make ends up in the back of the net. At worst he is a great mentor with his stanley cup ring. Who knows, maybe we can figure a case against his DUI or something.

Another think that I like is that our defence is getting larger. They might still need to bulk up but they at least have the height and reach needed to become effective defencemen. I think that some people call Whitney and Gibby "soft" but IMO they can hold their own. Unfortunately they have been paired with some fairly soft players in the past. Gibby does MUCH better when he is along a physical dman ala Souray then a guy like Grebs. We definitely have gotten bigger on the blueline. Lets just hope we can move the puck out.

Souray: 6'4"
Whitney: 6'3"
Gilbert: 6'3"
Smid: 6'3"
Peckham: 6'2"
Petry: 6'3"
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I don't think you can include johnson's salary as well as staios.
You're right, my bad.

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The potential silver lining to this is that Visnovsky is 33 and might pull a Souray any time now... get hurt, have his value tank, and see his production drop off to boot. Last summer, if we had traded Souray for Whitney and a 6th rounder a lot of people would have been livid, but if we could have made that trade today (instead of sending Lubo away) we would all be on the moon. We might all be singing a different tune by October.

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As I said yesterday I wanted to keep visnovsky because I liked him but in reality almost all the older veterans need to go.

Like most of you I would have also liked a higher draft pick but the trade is not the disaster it is being made out yo be.
Yeah... you said the same bit after Pronger was dealt.

That threw this team back 5 years, and this trade might not be that bad, but it's certainly in the ballpark.

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Ryan Whitney was drafted 4th overall in the 2002 entry draft by Pittsburgh.
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Don't thank anyone until you are sure the information is accurate......

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Don't thank anyone until you are sure the information is accurate......
He wasn't being serious.

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He wasn't being serious.
I did not see the " " or a " "...

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All this day proved is that opinions are still opinions, no matter how hard one believes that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

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Yeah... you said the same bit after Pronger was dealt.

That threw this team back 5 years, and this trade might not be that bad, but it's certainly in the ballpark.
huh?
How could trading Vish set this team even further? they're in 30th place!


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