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03-05-2010, 02:51 PM
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The Official lets argue about next years roster and cap space idea thread

YA--I know it is a bit egotistical of me--but anything less would dissapoint some people on this board.

I see severak threads talking about roster and cap space and all this sudden availability the oilers have--people are looking the roster and putting the cart before the horse.

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.p...DM&season=0910

Signed for Next year

penner 4.25
POS 2.95
Nilsson 2
MOreau 2

Horcoff 5.5(yippii--insert beat the dead horse)


Hemsky 4.1
Stortini .7


Mr Fragile 5.4
Gilbert 4
Whiteny 4
Smid 1.3
Chorney .942

Vodka Clause 3.75

for a total of 40.892

meaning the oilers have about 16million to fill out the roster

lets pretend all UFA's get kicked to the street and jsut deal with the RFA's

Gagner, Brule, Cogliano, Poutlny, MAP, JFJ, Jones, Stone, Pekham, and JDD and DD

say the oilers fo with a 22 man roster with one extra skater and one extra d-man

Lets deal with the first overall pick if the oilers draft first overall and take Hall and he is in the line up==that will be cap hit of 3.75 based upon the last 3 first overall picks and what they got.

Gagner I think will get 3 mill a year, Brule 1.5, Potulny 1.25 and lets give Jones the same contract at .900 and factor in Eberle and his 1.3

the line up now looks like this

Penner 4.25
POS 2.95
Nilsson 2
Moreau 2

Horcoff 5.5
Hall 3.75
Gagner 3
Brule 1.5

Hemsky 4.1
Eberle 1.3
Poltuny 1.25
Strotini .700
Jones .900


total cap hit for the forwards will be 33.20mill

lets go to the d again

Fragile 5.4
Gilberrt 4
Whitney 4
Smid 1.3
Chorney .934
Pekham .600
Either struds and jones reupped at .700
16.934 cap hit on d for a total cap hit of 50.134

In goal

Vodka Clause 3.75
DD/JDD .950

for cap hit of 54.834

This years cap hit was 56.8

leaving oilers with 1.966

I think when people are looking at the space they are fogetting that the first overall guy gets 3.75 cap hit

the base of the arguements with what I have done will be Buyouts. trades, tossing guys on the farm and what the RFA's will get resigned for. It is all hyperthetical at this point in time. But even witht he trades done yesterday--oilers don't have the space to go out and get a 5mill cap hit UFA.

Okay flame way at the numbers I put out

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03-05-2010, 02:55 PM
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Although it doesn't really impact your numbers, isn't Jones signed through next year?

Hopefully Tambo can clear out POS & Souray which would make our cap situation much better.

Imagine if we hadn't gotten rid of Staios & Grebs - we would be in even more ****

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two of Cogs,POS, Nilsson need to go. Souray needs to go too but I think it might be impossible.

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YA--I know it is a bit egotistical of me--but anything less would dissapoint some people on this board.

I see severak threads talking about roster and cap space and all this sudden availability the oilers have--people are looking the roster and putting the cart before the horse.

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.p...DM&season=0910

Signed for Next year

penner 4.25
POS 2.95
Nilsson 2
MOreau 2

Horcoff 5.5(yippii--insert beat the dead horse)


Hemsky 4.1
Stortini .7


Mr Fragile 5.4
Gilbert 4
Whiteny 4
Smid 1.3
Chorney .942

Vodka Clause 3.75

for a total of 40.892

meaning the oilers have about 16million to fill out the roster

lets pretend all UFA's get kicked to the street and jsut deal with the RFA's

Gagner, Brule, Cogliano, Poutlny, MAP, JFJ, Jones, Stone, Pekham, and JDD and DD

say the oilers fo with a 22 man roster with one extra skater and one extra d-man

Lets deal with the first overall pick if the oilers draft first overall and take Hall and he is in the line up==that will be cap hit of 3.75 based upon the last 3 first overall picks and what they got.

Gagner I think will get 3 mill a year, Brule 1.5, Potulny 1.25 and lets give Jones the same contract at .900 and factor in Eberle and his 1.3

the line up now looks like this

Penner 4.25
POS 2.95
Nilsson 2
Moreau 2

Horcoff 5.5
Hall 3.75
Gagner 3
Brule 1.5

Hemsky 4.1
Eberle 1.3
Poltuny 1.25
Strotini .700
Jones .900


total cap hit for the forwards will be 33.20mill

lets go to the d again

Fragile 5.4
Gilberrt 4
Whitney 4
Smid 1.3
Chorney .934
Pekham .600
Either struds and jones reupped at .700
16.934 cap hit on d for a total cap hit of 50.134

In goal

Vodka Clause 3.75
DD/JDD .950

for cap hit of 54.834

This years cap hit was 56.8

leaving oilers with 1.966

I think when people are looking at the space they are fogetting that the first overall guy gets 3.75 cap hit

the base of the arguements with what I have done will be Buyouts. trades, tossing guys on the farm and what the RFA's will get resigned for. It is all hyperthetical at this point in time. But even witht he trades done yesterday--oilers don't have the space to go out and get a 5mill cap hit UFA.

Okay flame way at the numbers I put out
I take it you're not re-signing Cogs or trade? I can see POS, Nilsson and Moreau gone, for another 7m saving. Sign Cogs for 1.8m and a couple of cheap UFA's to replace Nilsson and Moreau and the cap is in good shape. I don't see a top 3 pick in the 2011 draft as we'll still be bad but not that bad....unless we don't pick up any more defence. This is our best chance at a franchaise player and we'd better not mess it up....which shouldn't be an issue without any credible #1 or #2 on D.

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two of Cogs,POS, Nilsson need to go. Souray needs to go too but I think it might be impossible.
I think POS still has the best shot to be a legit top 6 player but time is running out for all of these players. None of them bring a solid and complete two way game, something they all need to work on. They would be a lot easier to wait around for if they redefined themselves and worked on other aspects of their game. Cogs must be able to do something with that speed...

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I take it you're not re-signing Cogs or trade? I can see POS, Nilsson and Moreau gone, for another 7m saving. Sign Cogs for 1.8m and a couple of cheap UFA's to replace Nilsson and Moreau and the cap is in good shape. I don't see a top 3 pick in the 2011 draft as we'll still be bad but not that bad....unless we don't pick up any more defence. This is our best chance at a franchaise player and we'd better not mess it up....which shouldn't be an issue without any credible #1 or #2 on D.
I agree POS and Nilsson are older and have had more time to prove themselves than Cogs. I also think that if the right tweaks are made this team could be good to compete (not contend there is a difference).

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Out:

O'Sullivan
Moreau
Nilsson (waived/buy out)

In:

Colby Armstrong
Byron Bitz

I think the only reason to really move Souray is if Jagr is serious about signing here, because we actually probably could use him next season, and his contract is easier to move from here on out anyway (only 2 years left, $4.5 mill actual salary).

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I think we should not rely too much on the UFA market. I think Colby Armstrong for example will go back to Pittsburgh.

Our best bet is trades, Young guys, and Hemsky perhaps hooking us up with Jagr and Cervenka. If we can get lucky and get someone that can help on D that would be great but I'm not holding my breath.

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I think we should not rely too much on the UFA market. I think Colby Armstrong for example will go back to Pittsburgh.

Our best bet is trades, Young guys, and Hemsky perhaps hooking us up with Jagr and Cervenka. If we can get lucky and get someone that can help on D that would be great but I'm not holding my breath.
I don't think Pittsburgh can afford Armstrong.

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Although it doesn't really impact your numbers, isn't Jones signed through next year?

Hopefully Tambo can clear out POS & Souray which would make our cap situation much better.

Imagine if we hadn't gotten rid of Staios & Grebs - we would be in even more ****

jones is there--I screwed up and have him at .900 and not .975

also--people need to realize what the first over all pick will cost at 3.75mill as per the cba


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POS, Nilsson, Souray and Moreau for sure will be gone. Cogliano should be traded while we can still get something for him, but I don't know now that they will trade him or not (they should, he's of very little use to this team when you consider what is coming). However the last I had heard the cap is projected to go down by 2 mil. So we don't have 16 mil to spend we have 14 mil. So with your numbers we are either RIGHT up against it, or over the cap. I don't think Gagner will get 3 mil, but it will be close to that (7.5 for 3 years is my guess).

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As much as it pains me to say it, I don't think Brule will be back. It's become fairly obvious what the organization thinks of him based on how well he has played and little he has been rewarded with regards to ice time and linemates.

I also don't think Khabi will be back. I expect him to stick on LTIR...kinda bury him Mike Rathje style.

Souray will be dealt for another overpaid defender, but a younger guy for the rebuild.

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Assuming that the rebuild will be continuing I don't see why we would want to sign any UFAs this offseason.

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Assuming that the rebuild will be continuing I don't see why we would want to sign any UFAs this offseason.
So we can trade them at the deadline?

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Assuming that the rebuild will be continuing I don't see why we would want to sign any UFAs this offseason.
I think its a lot easier to attract UFA's down the road if you sign some now. The Jagr/Cervenka thing would be good for this team, but Alexander Frolov is a guy I would love to see on our top line. It is possible that we could bring in all 3, but we would have to move some other salaries, and as we all know, that is easier said than done.

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I see us re-signing Cogliano then trading him at the draft. Anyone think this?

Souray will be traded for sure! (something along the lines of the rumored New york deal Rozival + Dubinsky for Souray + Nilson + 3rd

Gagner and Brule resigned. Comrie and Pisani will both walk. O'sullivan we will have to keep. Moreau we will keep until next years trade deadline. Our forwards should look something like this IMO

Penner Gagner Hemsky
Hall Dubinsky Jagr
O'sullivan Horcoff Brule
Moreau potluny jones
pouliot

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Honestly, I would like us to hold on the players that we have and just let them develop. I mean worst case scenario we suck again and get a top 5 pick. Best case scenario our players pull their socks up, raise their value and actually become assets. I think its pretty obvious that we are developing players that are 25 and under. We wouldn't have acquired Jones at 25 if we didn't believe in developing 25 year olds.

Dustin Penner (27)
Ales Hemsky (26)
Ryan Jones (25)
Ryan Potulny (25)
Robert Nilsson (25)
Patrick O'Sullivan (25)
Jean Francois Jacques (24)
Marc Pouliot (24)
Zach Stortini (24)
Ryan Stone (24)
Gilbert Brule (23)
Andrew Cogliano (22)
Sam Gagner (20)

UFAS: Mike Comrie and Fernando Pisani

That's already 12 players that we can work on developing. I think its pretty safe to say that Hall/Seguin will come right to the NHL. Thus, 2 of Jacques, Stone, Jones and Pouliot will be our 13th and 14th forwards. Still, this doesn't even include Horcoff and Moreau who are still on the books.

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I think some people who are building next years roster and have the number 1 pick on the roster are either over looking or nor realizing that the last 3 first overall picks have gotten contracts for 3.75mill. The oilers do not have money to spend--if the plan is to have the number 1 pick on the roster then factor in his 3,75cap hit

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So we can trade them at the deadline?
I would rather develop the youngsters we have then get UFA's that only bring back 7th rounders... Lets face it, anyone who is good enough to actually bring a decent return is either A) Not going to want to play here B)Going to want a huge contract (that doesnt go well for a rebuild)

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I think some people who are building next years roster and have the number 1 pick on the roster are either over looking or nor realizing that the last 3 first overall picks have gotten contracts for 3.75mill. The oilers do not have money to spend--if the plan is to have the number 1 pick on the roster then factor in his 3,75cap hit
Not only that but Edmonton might make a move to sign guys like Gagner/Brule/Cogliano long term.

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I would rather develop the youngsters we have then get UFA's that only bring back 7th rounders... Lets face it, anyone who is good enough to actually bring a decent return is either A) Not going to want to play here B)Going to want a huge contract (that doesnt go well for a rebuild)
Sometimes having guys that can take pressure off younger players is helping them develop. Lets be realistic, the oilers tried that by sending Reason and Stoll out the door and Pouliot and Brodziak totally fell apart when given those defenseive responsibilities. So much so that Shawn Horcoff had to play almost all of their defensive minutes.

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