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03-05-2010, 03:12 PM
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Thrashers defense for next season.

I'm not sure how this is going to be worked out. Right now the consensus is Kubina will be re-signed. So let the list begin.

Top 3- Enstrom, Bogosian, Kubina. Easy.

Okay so room for 3 more.

4- Oduya (He will remain here untill atleast his contract expires)
5- Hainsey (As much as i and some others want him traded, face reality because he is very unlikely to be traded)

Okay so who is the #6? Right now it's Schubert but i doubt he's here next season, as a mater of fact I'm going to say Schubert won't be here next season. Popovic needs to be waived he is useless.

Which leaves Kulda, Valabik, and Vishnevskiy.

You gotta figure Kulda will be the 6. But what about Valabik? And Vishnevskiy who is almost guaranteed to be on the team next season or else he is gon to the K. What happens with these 3 when you only have room for 1? Kulda HAS to be on this team next season he is too good to not be. Valabik and Vish 7 and 8?

I don't like that they would be 7 and 8 especially Vish. He should be one of the young guys to make the team next season. And i doubt we give up on Valabik already. He still has potential.

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IF Kubina re-signs (are negotiations REALLY serious or is he just being polite) your top 5 are right.

6/7..likely Valabik & Kulda.

Vish really hasnt proven much, he's been solid in the AHL thus far, but not mindblowing..i also heard the KHL rumors were way over blown...this is a kid that played Canadaian Juniors for 3 years, which not many Russians are willing to do, you'd think he really wants to play in the NHL.

i think he starts the year in Chicago and is 1st recall unless he beats out Kulda, Valabik will get his shot (if healthy).

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this is why i think it would be a mistake to re-sign kubina, or at least it wouldn't be a great loss. we can't justify having kulda and valabik sitting. we just can't. if kubina is re-signed than either hainsey or valabik must be traded.

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this is why i think it would be a mistake to re-sign kubina, or at least it wouldn't be a great loss. we can't justify having kulda and valabik sitting. we just can't. if kubina is re-signed than either hainsey or valabik must be traded.
i wouldnt be surprised if we traded someone. i agree that the world wouldnt end if Kubina left, but we would be better short term with him

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this is why i think it would be a mistake to re-sign kubina, or at least it wouldn't be a great loss. we can't justify having kulda and valabik sitting. we just can't. if kubina is re-signed than either hainsey or valabik must be traded.
i disagree..if Kubina doesnt re-sign, i fully expect them to look for another top 4 guy (we'll have the $). relying on Kulda & Valabik is shortsighted, theyve proven and EARNED nothing. Boris has still yet to accumulate a full season of service (80 gms played) and Kulda, while serviceable in his 2 games (at 11min toi) isnt a proven NHL commodity...one injury and now Vish gets a look, another unproven commodity.

look around the league, most of the great teams can legitimately go 8 or 9 deep without relying on 'potential'.

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Here are your potential replacements courtesy of:

http://www.sportscity.com/nhl/2010-n...ition/#Defense



Defenseman - 2010 NHL Unrestricted Free Agents
Player Age Team 09-10 Salary Notes
Nicklas Lidstrom 39 DET $7,450,000
Scott Niedermayer 35 ANA $6,000,000
Sergei Gonchar 35 PIT $5,500,000
Kim Johnsson 33 MIN $5,300,000
Pavel Kubina 32 ATL $5,000,000
Paul Martin 28 NJ $4,500,000
Brett Clark 32 COL $3,500,000
Marek Zidlicky 32 MIN $3,500,000
Andy Sutton 34 NYI $3,500,000
Mike Rathje 35 PHI $3,500,000
Rob Blake 39 SJ $3,500,000
Willie Mitchell 32 VAN $3,500,000
Mike Van Ryn 30 TOR $3,350,000
Derek Morris 30 BOS $3,300,000
Ruslan Salei 34 COL $3,275,000
Henrik Tallinder 30 BUF $3,250,000
Adam Foote 37 COL $3,250,000
Anton Volchenkov 27 OTT $3,200,000
Toni Lydman 31 BUF $3,150,000
Randy Jones 27 LA $3,000,000
Joe Corvo 32 CAR $2,750,000
Jason Smith 35 OTT $2,600,000
Aaron Ward 36 CAR $2,500,000
Dan Hamhuis 26 NASH $2,500,000
Brian Pothier 32 WASH $2,500,000
Rostislav Klesla 27 CBJ $2,250,000
Dennis Seidenberg 27 FLA $2,250,000
Adrian Aucoin 35 PHO $2,250,000
Mark Eaton 32 PIT $2,000,000
Shaone Morrisonn 26 WASH $1,975,000
Brad Lukowich 32 VAN $1,800,000
Jordan Leopold 28 FLA $1,750,000
Niclas Wallin 34 CAR $1,725,000
Garnet Exelby 27 TOR $1,725,000
Paul Mara 29 MON $1,675,000
Andrew Ference 30 BOS $1,625,000
Mathieu Schneider 40 VAN $1,550,000
Nick Boynton 30 ANA $1,500,000
Stephane Robidas 32 DAL $1,500,000
Zbynek Michalek 26 PHO $1,500,000
Lukas Krajicek 26 TB $1,475,000
Carlo Colaiacovo 26 STL $1,400,000
Milan Jurcina 26 WASH $1,375,000
Andreas Lilja 33 DET $1,250,000
Sean O'Donnell 37 LA $1,250,000
Nathan Paetsch 26 BUF $1,050,000
Jonas Frogren 28 TOR $900,000
Brett Lebda 27 DET $850,000
Jay McKee 31 PIT $800,000
Mike Weaver 31 STL $800,000
Mike Mottau 31 NJ $775,000
Shane Hnidy 33 MIN $750,000
Francis Bouillon 33 NASH $750,000
David Hale 28 TB $725,000
Jason Strudwick 33 EDM $700,000
Tyler Sloan 28 WASH $640,000
Andrew Hutchinson 29 DAL $600,000
Freddy Meyer 28 NYI $600,000
Kurtis Foster 27 TB $600,000
Sheldon Brookbank 28 ANA $550,000
Dan Jancevski 28 DAL $550,000
Garrett Stafford 29 DAL $550,000
John Scott 26 MIN $550,000
Aaron Johnson 26 CHI $540,000
Tim Conboy 27 CAR $500,000
Jay Harrison 26 CAR $500,000
Jay Leach 29 NJ $500,000
Cory Murphy 31 NJ $500,000
Matt Carkner 28 OTT $500,000
Lawrence Nycholat 30 VAN $500,000
Doug Janik 29 DET TBA
Alex Henry 29 MON TBA
Joe Callahan 26 SJ TBA
Brendan Bell 26 STL TBA
Mike Lundin 24 TB TBA

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if Kubina walks, lets just continue the Buffalo rejects trend and sign Lydman for $2.5ish...solid stay at home shot blocking vet with above average outlet passing. i'll take him over boris, kulda & vish for next season.

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Why not trade Oduya and NJ 1st on draft day for some top 6 help??

He seems to be a pretty generic top 4 D man, hasn't really done much so far

that gives us

Kubina-Enstrom
Bogo-Kulda
Hainsey-Vish
Valabik

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I have to disagree. Kubina is the best one on the list by far not even close and if we can re-sign him we MUST.

I'd rather trade away Hainsey than lose a shut down star.

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Why not trade Oduya and NJ 1st on draft day for some top 6 help??

He seems to be a pretty generic top 4 D man, hasn't really done much so far

that gives us

Kubina-Enstrom
Bogo-Kulda
Hainsey-Vish
Valabik
Absolutely not. I'd put him 3rd on our depth chart after Enstrom and Kubina. MUCH better player than Bogosian or Hainsey have been this season.

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Absolutely not. I'd put him 3rd on our depth chart after Enstrom and Kubina. MUCH better player than Bogosian or Hainsey have been this season.
agreed. and Kubina isnt better than everyone on that list.

Oduya is a rock solid 4 going forward..hopefully Toby and Bogo play legit 2/3's next year. Hainsey is fine at 5. Valabik/Kulda/Vish 'ok' at 6,7,8.

that leaves a 1. Kubina for 2 years $8.5 or less would be ideal.

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i disagree..if Kubina doesnt re-sign, i fully expect them to look for another top 4 guy (we'll have the $). relying on Kulda & Valabik is shortsighted, theyve proven and EARNED nothing. Boris has still yet to accumulate a full season of service (80 gms played) and Kulda, while serviceable in his 2 games (at 11min toi) isnt a proven NHL commodity...one injury and now Vish gets a look, another unproven commodity.

look around the league, most of the great teams can legitimately go 8 or 9 deep without relying on 'potential'.
i understand, but at some point you have to give guys an opportunity to prove themselves. how could any player ever earn a spot if he is kept back from getting a chance to by someone who is in his mid 30's

no matter what any of us want to believe, we aren't going to be a cup contender next year, even if everything goes according to plan it may not be for several years still. best case scenario next year imo is a conference finals appearance. kubina is only going to be a better option than kulda for maybe another season or two. we don't want kulda to get experience when the rest of the team is ready for a cup run. we want him to get experience so that he will be ready along with the rest of the team.

we are not the detroit redwings. guys aren't going to sit in our minors until they're 25 and wait for a chance to play for us.

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agreed. and Kubina isnt better than everyone on that list.

Oduya is a rock solid 4 going forward..hopefully Toby and Bogo play legit 2/3's next year. Hainsey is fine at 5. Valabik/Kulda/Vish 'ok' at 6,7,8.

that leaves a 1. Kubina for 2 years $8.5 or less would be ideal.
are you smoking crack?!

you would pay pavel freaking kubina 8.5 a year?!

on most good teams he's a 2nd pairing d-man. he's not even our best defenseman. no way in hell he warrants over his current salary. even that's too high imo and i am one who is willing to pay for defensive skill just as much as offensive skill.

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are you smoking crack?!

you would pay pavel freaking kubina 8.5 a year?!

on most good teams he's a 2nd pairing d-man. he's not even our best defenseman. no way in hell he warrants over his current salary. even that's too high imo and i am one who is willing to pay for defensive skill just as much as offensive skill.
8.5 over 2 years = 4.25 a season

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are you smoking crack?!

you would pay pavel freaking kubina 8.5 a year?!

on most good teams he's a 2nd pairing d-man. he's not even our best defenseman. no way in hell he warrants over his current salary. even that's too high imo and i am one who is willing to pay for defensive skill just as much as offensive skill.
I think he just meant like 8.5 million during those two years like 4.25 million the first year and 4.25 the next.

God damn my slow typing...

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Lol at the over rating of Oduya. He is not really that good.

I'd be willing to pay Kubina 5.5 per at the highest as he is a top shut down defensemen in the NHL. He is easily our best defensemen and has been since game 1. Waddell is genius to rip off Toronto so bad in that trade.

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If we don't get Kubina to resign....I would have no problem signing Hamhuis for the top 4. That said, I agree that if Kubina is not resigned I would not have a lot of concern going into next season with a Top 7 of Toby, Oduya, Hainsey, Bogo, Kulda, Valabik, and Vish. That's a better 7 than we have had in any season outside of.....pretty much only this season.

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this is why i think it would be a mistake to re-sign kubina, or at least it wouldn't be a great loss. we can't justify having kulda and valabik sitting. we just can't. if kubina is re-signed than either hainsey or valabik must be traded.
Team has to re-sign Kubina. I understand your point that the team needs to give more games into Valabik and Kulda but they can still do that and re-sign Kubina.

1. Kubina is the teams 2nd best d-man behind Enstrom it would be foolish to cut him loose without attempting to re-sign him unless his replacement is a better player. Considering he is one of the top guys heading into UFA, Thrashers are unlikely to sign anyone as good as Kubina.

2. Valabik will be sitting regardless. His injury is a 12 month injury and I don't expect him to be back until halfway through next season, the earliest.

3. I expected both Kulda and Vishnevskiy to make the Thrashers team next season at the expense of Schubert and Popovic whom I doubt they will re-sign. There is a rumour on the Stars board that Vishnevskiy may bolt to KHL and I'm sure the Thrashers will be wary of that and thus will give him an extended look as 7th defenseman that gets rotated.

Defenseman pairing for next season:

Kubina-Enstrom
Oduya-Hainsey
Bogosian-Kulda
Vishnevskiy
Valabik (IR)

If Kubina does reject Atlanta, I expect Schubert to be re-signed or another free agent to be brought in.

Oduya-Enstrom
Schubert-Hainsey
Bogosian-Kulda
Vishnevskiy
Valabik (IR)

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The four guys pretty much guaranteed to be around for several more seasons average $3.6M between them:

Bogosian, Zach 90 $2.725
Enstrom, Tobias 23 $3.75
Oduya, Johnny 26 $3.5
Hainsey, Ron 27 $4.5

Bogosian's ELC is done after next season. He's going to be up near the $4M mark with his new deal. That will bring the average pretty close to $4M. If Kubina is still on the ATL blueline, he'll be making anywhere between $4.5 and 6M, which will make ATL's defense one of the highest priced groups in the league.

Why would Waddell want to get in that predicament when he now has four legit prospects in waiting:
Valabik, Boris 86 $0.763
Vishnevskiy, Ivan 88 $0.847
Kulda, Arturs 88 $0.517
Postma, Paul 89 $0.875


Plus, Kubina is going to be requesting a very long term deal (deservedly so) that pays him that $4M+ per season. I predict Waddell will go after someone that will be okay with a shorter term contract, for instance, either Lydman, Seidenberg, Leopold, Corvo, Wallin, etc.

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8.5 over 2 years = 4.25 a season
sorry, i thought you mean per season

that would make him the highest paid d-man in the league.

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I predict Waddell will go after someone that will be okay with a shorter term contract, for instance, either Lydman, Seidenberg, Leopold, Corvo, Wallin, etc.
Lydman I wouldn't have a problem pairing with Hainsey and giving playing time to.

I would like to see Enstrom and Oduya paired together and see if there is any chemistry there.

I really think that Bogo and Kulda need to be paired together going forward. They know each other and have chemistry.

The big question is who to partner with Hainsey. Do we give it to Vish or bring in another vet?

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We really need to move Hainsey in the offseason.

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getting rid of hainsey would be great. how many more years on his deal?

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getting rid of hainsey would be great. how many more years on his deal?
He'll be named Captain before the Thrashers move him.

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We really need to move Hainsey in the offseason.
Sorry folks...we're eating this one for two more years.

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