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03-07-2010, 01:14 PM
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It aint like Hainsey is gettin any younger or better lol......

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They better get a goaltender, a goalie coach, and someone to coach up the backpedaling garbage that this team believes is a defensive system.

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03-09-2010, 08:08 AM
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The Thrashers should give Lydman a long and hard look. He is probably wanting to sign a new deal with Buffalo, but one of him and Tallinder is going out. Close to as solid as it gets and can play BIG minutes.

4-4.5 I'd say.

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The Thrashers should give Lydman a long and hard look. He is probably wanting to sign a new deal with Buffalo, but one of him and Tallinder is going out. Close to as solid as it gets and can play BIG minutes.

4-4.5 I'd say.
i would LOVE for Lyds to come down here...his time in Buffalo might be up, they wont keep both he and Tallinder (who is more likely to be re-signed with his resurgence from playing with Myers) and Weber is ready to slide into Lyds slot next season.

He's a great PK guy, bangs a bit and is a shot blocking machine..could be a steadying influence on Bogo and might not even cost that much..i dont think he warrants much of a raise over his $3.1m deal at 32...2yrs $6.5m total would work, maybe even less.

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03-09-2010, 12:35 PM
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4.5 if worse overpayment than Hainsey. We have no room for Lydman we got.. well 1) young defensemen coming up, and 2) future stars coming up.

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4.5 if worse overpayment than Hainsey. We have no room for Lydman we got.. well 1) young defensemen coming up, and 2) future stars coming up.
yeah, i agree $4.5 is too much, but he wont get that much anywhere..so its moot, $2.5-$3.5 would be perfect.

i'll take Lyds over Boris any and everyday of the week..theres his slot...and Kulda/Vishnevsky?...unproven commodities..i know youre high on Kulda after only TWO games..but lets see how he produces over a 30/40 game stretch before annointing him 'the next one'..Vish has barely excelled in the A, theres no logical reasoning to say he'll be a star.

the game isnt played on paper. everyone has high end prospects...many of which never pan out. no different with us.

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If we don't get Kubina to resign....I would have no problem signing Hamhuis for the top 4. That said, I agree that if Kubina is not resigned I would not have a lot of concern going into next season with a Top 7 of Toby, Oduya, Hainsey, Bogo, Kulda, Valabik, and Vish. That's a better 7 than we have had in any season outside of.....pretty much only this season.
IF that's the 7 in front of me, I come down with a Rhodes-like groin problem that lingers all season long or join the witness protection program in the dark of night.

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yeah, i agree $4.5 is too much, but he wont get that much anywhere..so its moot, $2.5-$3.5 would be perfect.

i'll take Lyds over Boris any and everyday of the week..theres his slot...and Kulda/Vishnevsky?...unproven commodities..i know youre high on Kulda after only TWO games..but lets see how he produces over a 30/40 game stretch before annointing him 'the next one'..Vish has barely excelled in the A, theres no logical reasoning to say he'll be a star.
I'm not sure paying 3.0M for a 6th defenseman is a wise use of this teams meager payroll. I'd rather pay Boris his ELC money and spend the extra 2M on someone to bolster the crappy scoring this team has.

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can we please trade Bogosian for a cocktail of prospects/picks???

I'm pretty sure he's not going to get back to being as ballin as he was his rookie year.

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Bogosian is a superstar.
Enstrom is a superstar.
Kulda is a superstar.
Kubina is a superstar.
Vishnevskiy is a future superstar.

We are loaded defensively. It's not working because of Andersons terrible system.

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Bogosian is a superstar.
Enstrom is a superstar.
Kulda is a superstar.
Kubina is a superstar.
Vishnevskiy is a future superstar.

We are loaded defensively. It's not working because of Andersons terrible system.
a little extra delusion in your lunch today?

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I'm all for unloading Valabik. If he's going to become Chara, it isn't goign to happen here.

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Bogosian is a superstar.
Enstrom is a superstar.
Kulda is a superstar.
Kubina is a superstar.
Vishnevskiy is a future superstar.

We are loaded defensively. It's not working because of Andersons terrible system.
Good Lord, if these are your definition of "superstar", the backline of the Habs in 70's/80's must be classified as living, breathing Greek Gods.

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Tell my why the ones on my list aren't superstars. Or future superstars.

Enstrom is one today he is HIGHLY under rated because he plays for the Thrashers.

You also got to remember that these guys are playing for... well the Thrashers. A team no one, NO ONE cares about besides their own fans.

Bogosian is having a bad year, but he is still a superstar.

Kubina is one of the BEST, top 3 easily, shut down defensemen today. He has no help what so ever in this garbage system but yet gets the job done 100% every night. That's a superstar.


You can't argue that. Or it will be like the people in 05 saying how badly Drew Brees is and has no future in the NFL... well that's because he was on a ****** team. Look at me now, he says with a ring on his finger.

Thrashers have superstars. But a bad coach. Anderson is the reason we missed the playoffs this season. All i got to say is 1 name and 1 name only. Popovic. Actually, i could say more lol. White, Slater, Thorburn etc.... guys playing on the first line with Kovalchuk because they had a streak of 2 good games. Where is Jimmy at now? Hasn't scored in like 15 straight... awwww poor little scrub came back to reality. That's not the best part. He'll probably be re-signed next season... We let another defensemen with all star potential, Anssi Salmela, sit on a bench for games because of Popovic being Andersons boy... Anderson killed this team before the season started lol.


I said this 5 months ago i'll say it again. With all these great players we got, we are a top EASTERN conference team with an NHL coach. kthanksbye.


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c'mon ASF....take off your homer glasses. Enstrom is underrated, one of the best 2's in the league.that is all.

Bogosian has a TON of maturing/refining to do...COULD he be a superstar 4, 5, 6 years down the road, yes.

Kubina isnt even a top 20 D-man in the league. talk about overvalueing a player..he's been good, but top SHUTDOWN guy?

Kulda and Vish...LOL...theyve done NOTHING to prove they'll even make it in this league.

rational, objective thoughts please..but at this point, i guess thats asking alot.

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Whatever. Believe what you want about the players and i'll do the same.


I'll never support a horrible coach. Unless he proved me wrong. Instead he's like a -306 right now (if there were a system to rank coaches +/-).

PS. Kulda proved he's a future superstar to me. And I said Vish has potential to be a future superstar.



These posts about who and who is not a superstar reminds me of the people that said Joe Johnson is not a superstar 3 years ago... wonder how they feel now.

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These posts about who and who is not a superstar reminds me of the people that said Joe Johnson is not a superstar 3 years ago... wonder how they feel now.
Who is Joe Johnson?

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We let another defensemen with all star potential, Anssi Salmela, sit on a bench for games because of Popovic being Andersons boy...
Now I know you're not for real.

As a finnish fan I hope and think that just maybe Anssi can stick around for a couple years more as a third pairing d-man in the NHL, but there is no chance that he'll amount to much more.

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He's a basketball player who plays for the Atlanta Hawks.

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ASF, could you please define superstar as you use it. as far as i can tell by superstar you mean NHL calibre.

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Tell my why the ones on my list aren't superstars. Or future superstars.

Enstrom is one today he is HIGHLY under rated because he plays for the Thrashers.

You also got to remember that these guys are playing for... well the Thrashers. A team no one, NO ONE cares about besides their own fans.

Bogosian is having a bad year, but he is still a superstar.

Kubina is one of the BEST, top 3 easily, shut down defensemen today. He has no help what so ever in this garbage system but yet gets the job done 100% every night. That's a superstar.


You can't argue that. Or it will be like the people in 05 saying how badly Drew Brees is and has no future in the NFL... well that's because he was on a ****** team. Look at me now, he says with a ring on his finger.

Thrashers have superstars. But a bad coach. Anderson is the reason we missed the playoffs this season. All i got to say is 1 name and 1 name only. Popovic. Actually, i could say more lol. White, Slater, Thorburn etc.... guys playing on the first line with Kovalchuk because they had a streak of 2 good games. Where is Jimmy at now? Hasn't scored in like 15 straight... awwww poor little scrub came back to reality. That's not the best part. He'll probably be re-signed next season... We let another defensemen with all star potential, Anssi Salmela, sit on a bench for games because of Popovic being Andersons boy... Anderson killed this team before the season started lol.


I said this 5 months ago i'll say it again. With all these great players we got, we are a top EASTERN conference team with an NHL coach. kthanksbye.
To me a superstar is a top three, maybe top five player in the league. You mention a position and one of these guys immediately comes to mind; wingers - OV, Crosby, Iginla, Malkin. d-men - Lidstrom, Chara, Pronger, Green, Boyle. Enstrom and Oduya, not so much.

And if our defense was laden with such a group of superstars, why does this stellar group rank at 28th in the league for goals allowed?
You would think that superstars and a 55 gallon drum in net could do better than that?

This team had ONE superstar and he's in NJ, for better or worse, but to say this team is full of superstar talent is just ridiculous.

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And if our defense was laden with such a group of superstars, why does this stellar group rank at 28th in the league for goals allowed?
You would think that superstars and a 55 gallon drum in net could do better than that?
i think i can predict ASF's response to this one:

It's idiot Anderson's ***ing system. I mean lack of system. He's not an NHL coach. He's a scrub coach. Fire Anderson. If not for Anderson we'd finish the year 82-0-0. Every bad player we have is Anderson's fault. scrubs. He's only supposed to dress the 14 players I like. If we only played with our 14 superstars and no Anderson we'd win every game. I am an expert talent evaluator and know everything about everything.

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Another reminder why ASF is on my ignore list And let's not give up on Big Boris yet, although we will have to see how he will recover from his injuries...

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a little extra delusion in your lunch today?
It's easier if you just put him on ignore.

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Bogosian is a superstar.
Enstrom is a superstar.
Kulda is a superstar.
Kubina is a superstar.
Vishnevskiy is a future superstar.

We are loaded defensively. It's not working because of Andersons terrible system.
this might be the most beautiful post i've ever seen. we'll done sir. even better than yesterday when we presented the red and blue gatorade to the kid that always wears sunglasses and is never getting laid in his life.

enstrom is underrated
bogosian right now is badly overrated. he'll get there but as of now he's a bottom pairing powerplay specialist that has only scored once in 40 games
kulda is at best a 2nd pairing stay at home d-man, and that's only if he does as well as possible.
kubina is at best top 35, even that's probably a stretch. am i the only one who notices how freaking slow he is and how many plays he could make but doesn't because he doesn't have the speed and can't risk it?
vishnevskiy might never play in the nhl again.

come on now.

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