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03-06-2010, 12:17 AM
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Is it just me..(Tom Gilbert)

This guy is a completely different player than he was when he was first called up and in his rookie season. Honestly I thought he was a lot better player than he is now. I just liked his style a lot more and I remembered him always being named one of the stars for like his first 5 games. I loved how he was so smart with his pinches and always snuck in without defenses noticing and just wired his wrist shot top corner. I also thought he was a lot better positionally in the defensive zone. He just chases so much in the defensive end. I don't know if the coaching staff tried to change his game but he was really awesome in his rookie year I wish he played the way he did then, especially offensively.

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03-06-2010, 12:19 AM
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Well it's common sense Gilbert is alot worse than he was before, I think the coaching change was a big part of it.

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03-06-2010, 12:20 AM
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Maybe he's thinking about puck bunnies more than pucks.

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I think it's lacking confidence and is trying to overcompensate. He needs to score a couple goals and stop thinking so much.

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03-06-2010, 12:26 AM
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In my view, he has been a much better defenseman in the 2nd half of this year than he was in the 1st half. Though still not as good as in past years where he was further down the defense chain.

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03-06-2010, 12:29 AM
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Maybe he's thinking about puck bunnies more than pucks.
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In my view, he has been a much better defenseman in the 2nd half of this year than he was in the 1st half. Though still not as good as in past years where he was further down the defense chain.
Case and point! Last place team = less puck bunnies.

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03-06-2010, 12:35 AM
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I think it's lacking confidence and is trying to overcompensate. He needs to score a couple goals and stop thinking so much.
Yeah and thats the thing I miss most about the player he used to be. He could just wire it into the back of the net with his wrist shot and he was just so good at pinching down into the slot and I never saw him get burned with the stuff.

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Am I the only one that noticed his play started to decline around the same time Guitar Hero World Tour came out?

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Am I the only one that noticed his play started to decline around the same time Guitar Hero World Tour came out?
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03-06-2010, 12:39 AM
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Yeah and thats the thing I miss most about the player he used to be. He could just wire it into the back of the net with his wrist shot and he was just so good at pinching down into the slot and I never saw him get burned with the stuff.
Well... we did load up with attacking defensemen in Visnovsky and Grebeshkov. I could see how a player like Gilbert who used to pick his battles carefully might have shied away from attacking with these pairings. Maybe we'll see a little better chemistry now??

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Looked alright tonight with Whitney. Will be interesting to watch that pairing for the rest of the season. Souray and Smid won't be back so no chance of the pairing being broken up.

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Am I the only one that noticed his play started to decline around the same time Guitar Hero World Tour came out?
that made me lol. probably rocking out with Cogs in the basement.
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Well... we did load up with attacking defensemen in Visnovsky and Grebeshkov. I could see how a player like Gilbert who used to pick his battles carefully might have shied away from attacking with these pairings. Maybe we'll see a little better chemistry now??
Interesting point. It'll be good to see how his play develops now that we are going in another direction and he is a top pairing guy.

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Tonight he looked pretty good IMO but he hasnt looked great this season thats for sure

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No expectations and sheltered minutes, rookie defensemen always look better than they really are until they're settled into a true role and have real responsibilities (unless we're talking about the Doughty's of the world)

Gilbert was old enough and seasoned enough to have some idea what to expect when he was called up... I just hope he grows up a little and decides to treat this as his career and not his ticket to stardom.

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One thing I remember when he first came to the Oilers is it seemed he would play faster, and a bit harder, he seemed more eager to jump in on the rush and be aggressive, he had somewhat of an edge to his game (not necessarily in the physical department)... overall he seemed a bit more tenacious. Now?

He plays with absolutely zero urgency and minimal passion, as a team you're in trouble when he's a guy you depend on, and is in heavy rotation in your top 4... Maybe as a 5th-6th guy he has a spot on a championship team... he may be a good player (from time to time) but overall he is the definition of lackluster. Yes I can appreciate some of his slick plays, good first pass and some of his effective stickwork (again, at times), but he just doesn't bring "it" on a consistent enough basis. Brings no passion or intensity, has a blank stare and its frustrating to see. Void of emotion.

I don't think he's a player you can win with, and I think he'd fold like a cheap tent in the post-season. Pure speculation of course, but that's how I gauge it.


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Gilbert started to suck ice the same time he signed his big 4million per year contract

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03-06-2010, 02:11 AM
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Most of the people here that are ripping on him now wanted to keep him over Pitkanen a few years ago. The organization made that same call. I know Pitkanen doesn't exactly play with passion either; however, I would take him over Gilbert undoubtedly. Way more tools in the metaphorical tool box.

Good season for Pitkanen so far

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Pitkanen>Gilbert now and forever

the wrong call was made

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Most of the people here that are ripping on him now wanted to keep him over Pitkanen a few years ago. The organization made that same call. I know Pitkanen doesn't exactly play with passion either; however, I would take him over Gilbert undoubtedly. Way more tools in the metaphorical tool box.

Good season for Pitkanen so far

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Pitkanen>Gilbert now and forever

the wrong call was made
As soft as Gilbert is, at least he would play through a hang nail, unlike Pitkanen... I really do like Pitkanen's skill set, it is unreal, but realistically, the guy just doesnt give a **** (My opinion on his style of play, I am not arguing against his god given talent, which is amazing when he wants to be). But yeah... You can't compare the 2. There is a reason why Pitkanen went in the 1st round compared to Gilbert.

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Most of the people here that are ripping on him now wanted to keep him over Pitkanen a few years ago. The organization made that same call. I know Pitkanen doesn't exactly play with passion either; however, I would take him over Gilbert undoubtedly. Way more tools in the metaphorical tool box.

Good season for Pitkanen so far

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Pitkanen>Gilbert now and forever

the wrong call was made
Pitkanen plays when he wants and this season seems to be the first time since the first year after the lockout. He's also an outcast in the locker room, injury prone(68 games missed since the lockout) and poor defensively.

...and his stats are a little misleading. He has 18 points in last 19 games which is an unrealistic pace that is inflating his overall stats.

Pitkanen may have the talent and skill to be a Norris candidate but he lacks the drive. He can be as good as he wants and as bad as he wants all in the same shifts. He just doesn't come across as a guy that cares enough to have another season like he did in 2005-06.

On paper: Pitkanen > Gilbert
In reality: Gilbert > Pitkanen

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03-06-2010, 10:37 AM
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Pitkanen plays when he wants and this season seems to be the first time since the first year after the lockout. He's also an outcast in the locker room, injury prone(68 games missed since the lockout) and poor defensively.

...and his stats are a little misleading. He has 18 points in last 19 games which is an unrealistic pace that is inflating his overall stats.
Pitkanen may have the talent and skill to be a Norris candidate but he lacks the drive. He can be as good as he wants and as bad as he wants all in the same shifts. He just doesn't come across as a guy that cares enough to have another season like he did in 2005-06.

On paper: Pitkanen > Gilbert
In reality: Gilbert > Pitkanen
I'm sorry, but I hate when **** like this gets posted. He played in the last 19 games, so they count, and he got points so they count. It is just like when a guy like Sidney Crosby doesn't have a point for two games and they say he's in a slump, and whats wrong with Sidney? The fact is, players go on streaks, hot and cold, and it all counts.

*I agree with the rest of your post however, although Pitkanen is better than Gilbert.*

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Gilbert's game will come back around. The first step was to take out the Garbagekov.

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tom has to go... i mean come on people turnover after turnover after turnover every game. example tight game against the hawks oops puck goes in the middle of the ice on the stick of a hawks player shoots scores game over.this happens all the time and at 4 million what a joke we cant give him away we are stuck with him for a few years and thats sad.tom was never worth 4 mill at best 2.5 mill. if he was at least good in his own end i could look past his points this year tell me this is not right.

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Gilbert does lead this team in blocked shots, by a wide margin. If that means anything......

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Gilbert does lead this team in blocked shots, by a wide margin. If that means anything......
That's just because he was too lazy to think about moving...

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I am not a big fan of Tammy but I have to admit he looked better last night. maybe he just needs to be put in a more important role like he is now with Lubo gone. I'm hoping. And Whitney impressed me as well.

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