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03-01-2010, 04:12 PM
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Quadruple Gold Club members?

I know that Sakic and Niedermayer are the only ones in right now, but who else are close (possible in 2010) to get there?

Jarome Iginla misses Stanley Cup
Ryan Smyth misses Stanley Cup
Martin Brodeur misses World Championship
Adam Foote misses World Championship

Others?

They have to be Canadians, since USA is the only other team to win World Cup and they don't have Olympic Gold since 1980.


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Thornton needs a Stanley Cup I think.

Olympics in 2010.
World Cup in 2004.

Er, no, doesn't have the World Championships (silver).

Has a World Junior gold though.

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Gold Club?

Memorial
WJC
Olympics
Stanley Cup

??
Is that what it is?


I think Corey Perry did it now.

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Ryan Smyth needs a cup to accomplish it.

Foote needs a WC.

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Adam Foote has a Stanley Cup, a World Cup and an Olympic Gold.

He needs a World Championships.

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Olympic Games, World Championships, World Cup, World Junior Championships

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Gold Club?

Memorial
WJC
Olympics
Stanley Cup

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Is that what it is?


I think Corey Perry did it now.
The Triple is:

-Olympics
-World Championships
-Stanley Cup

The Quadruple adds the World Cup / Canada Cup.

The Qunituple adds the Memorial Cup, of which Niedermayer is the only representative, and Iginla would be the other if he won the Stanley Cup. Or maybe the WJC is in there somewhere.

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IMO this is a pretty silly 'club'.


There are two championships to win. One for your club, and one for your country. I really doubt anyone is itching to go an win World Championship gold, because it means your team didnt get far into the NHL playoffs that year!

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IMO this is a pretty silly 'club'.


There are two championships to win. One for your club, and one for your country. I really doubt anyone is itching to go an win World Championship gold, because it means your team didnt get far into the NHL playoffs that year!
It's obviously part of Rene Fasel's strategy to legitimize the World Championships on our side of the pond.

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lol yeah.

Brodeur is going to tank for the Devils so he can go get that World Championship gold medal!

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lol yeah.

Brodeur is going to tank for the Devils so he can go get that World Championship gold medal!
I actually like the World Championships, but I've been to one in Germany and I grew up there. The atmosphere at a WC is great - lots of fans from all around the world mingling.

It's not "best on best", but it's a lot of fun, and you get to see a different Team Canada every year.

It's kind of like the NCAA equivalent of the Olympics.

Plus, it gives Team Canada an opportunity to expose younger players to the international rules and ice surface in preparation for the Olympics.

It's not the NHL playoffs, but I enjoy it nonetheless, and usually try to catch as much of it as I can.

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I actually like the World Championships, but I've been to one in Germany and I grew up there. The atmosphere at a WC is great - lots of fans from all around the world mingling.

It's not "best on best", but it's a lot of fun, and you get to see a different Team Canada every year.

It's kind of like the NCAA equivalent of the Olympics.

Plus, it gives Team Canada an opportunity to expose younger players to the international rules and ice surface in preparation for the Olympics.

It's not the NHL playoffs, but I enjoy it nonetheless, and usually try to catch as much of it as I can.
lol @ Chimera and Mayers making the team

Brodeur would never go.

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lol @ Chimera and Mayers making the team

Brodeur would never go.
Well, you don't typically see the vets go.

But hey, I've seen guys like Anson Carter and Steve Staios come up big and I've seen more stacked rosters (with Crosby, for example) come up short.

That's what makes it fun.

Canada's depth allows us to be competitive every year, no matter which teams are in or out of the playoffs.

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The Triple is:

-Olympics
-World Championships
-Stanley Cup

The Quadruple adds the World Cup / Canada Cup.

The Qunituple adds the Memorial Cup, of which Niedermayer is the only representative, and Iginla would be the other if he won the Stanley Cup. Or maybe the WJC is in there somewhere.
WJC for sure before Memorial Cup. Do not expect Russians / Finns / Swedes to value Memorial Cup as much as for example SM-Liiga / Elitserien / KHL.

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IMO this is a pretty silly 'club'.


There are two championships to win. One for your club, and one for your country. I really doubt anyone is itching to go an win World Championship gold, because it means your team didnt get far into the NHL playoffs that year!
Because every single player plays in NHL?

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WJC for sure before Memorial Cup. Do not expect Russians / Finns / Swedes to value Memorial Cup as much as for example SM-Liiga / Elitserien / KHL.
No, you're right of course.

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It's obviously part of Rene Fasel's strategy to legitimize the World Championships on our side of the pond.
Triple Club (which is silly, especially since it counts World Championship to be more valuable than World Cup) is Swedish invention, and doesn't even do it right, since quite a lot of players won both Olympic Gold and World Championship at the same time and Swedes never counted them there.

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No, you're right of course.
Also, WJC is otherwise very good, but unlike these others, it's for juniors.

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Because every single player plays in NHL?
Of course not. Its just a silly 'club' to make up.

A top player on a top NHL club will likely never even play in the World Championships. This is the problem.

Also, some players develop later and never get to play in WJC.

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lol @ Chimera and Mayers making the team

Brodeur would never go.
Especially not in 1996 or 2005, absolutely no.

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A top player on a top NHL club will likely never even play in the World Championships. This is the problem.
Well, there are relatively few teams that will go an entire player's career without an early playoff loss or missing the playoffs entirely.

Depending on how old they are, they will go.

Canada has made it pretty clear that they value World Championship experience for best-on-best tournaments and as a result you're seeing much better rosters in the last 5 years or so.

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Of course not. Its just a silly 'club' to make up.

A top player on a top NHL club will likely never even play in the World Championships. This is the problem.
Name me such a player? Crosby? Ovechkin? Sakic? Niedermayer? Malkin? Gretzky? Lemieux? Brodeur? Hasek?

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Well, there are relatively few teams that will go an entire player's career without an early playoff loss or missing the playoffs entirely.

Depending on how old they are, they will go.

Canada has made it pretty clear that they value World Championship experience for best-on-best tournaments and as a result you're seeing much better rosters in the last 5 years or so.
And for example in 2005 all the best were there - the best that cared for going. Team USA has many times had quite weak teams there.

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Well, you don't typically see the vets go.
That is, for North Americans. Especially Finns (for example Selänne), Swedes (for example Lidström) and Slovaks (for example Palffy) have been to there in older age.

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Sure players will go once or twice, I will concede this. But its not a collection of best vs. best. Each nation depends on their players' NHL teams doing poorly so the World Championship roster can be improved. And then, many decline when they become established players. This is an odd arrangement to say the least.

I am not discounting the world championships. I wish it was a better tournament in fact. We have a WJC every year that is better hockey, however.


I just consider best of best tournament to be the Olympics, and Stanley Cup. These are the top hockey prizes. The rest are at levels below due to imbalance in the competition due to schedules.

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