Anyone see Daters interview after the game of Mueller?
He's a bit of a strange cat, thats for sure. You can see when he gets asked about his time in Pheonix he wants to say something, but can't. I think there was a lot more that went on behind the scenes than we all know.
A player of his talent, should not have had 17 points only (before coming here). He is far too talented for that. His shot alone should have got him more than 3 goals for them.
Anyways, I'm glad to have him. He's been nothing short of fantastic for us. He has our PP clicking in ways we could have only dreamed about.
There is a lot of stuff being whispered about if you read around. Tippet is getting pegged as being anti-youth for what he did to Tikhonov, Boedker, and Turris. I am not sure that is fair but sending all those guys down is guaranteed to create hard feelings regardless of the reason. Obviously Tippet wanted to win and when he looked at what he had he decided it was system first and personnel second. Some of their fans compare the team to the old Minnesota wild and that is pretty apt from what I have seen. How well would Mueller fit in that system? I like what he brings to this team but he is not going to be johnny hustle, a fighter, or a strong defensive forward. Given that where does he fit? On the fourth line? You just can't play a guy like Mueller on the fourth. As you put all the pieces into place you can see why Phoenix had no real choice but to trade him. You can also see why the kid might have been that disenchanted. Given the turmoil all the players had been through with the near failure of the franchise in Phoenix it had to be tough to keep your head up. To add such a blatant mismatch of abilities to the mix? That is pretty tough.
There is a lot of stuff being whispered about if you read around. Tippet is getting pegged as being anti-youth for what he did to Tikhonov, Boedker, and Turris. I am not sure that is fair but sending all those guys down is guaranteed to create hard feelings regardless of the reason. Obviously Tippet wanted to win and when he looked at what he had he decided it was system first and personnel second. Some of their fans compare the team to the old Minnesota wild and that is pretty apt from what I have seen. How well would Mueller fit in that system? I like what he brings to this team but he is not going to be johnny hustle, a fighter, or a strong defensive forward. Given that where does he fit? On the fourth line? You just can't play a guy like Mueller on the fourth. As you put all the pieces into place you can see why Phoenix had no real choice but to trade him. You can also see why the kid might have been that disenchanted. Given the turmoil all the players had been through with the near failure of the franchise in Phoenix it had to be tough to keep your head up. To add such a blatant mismatch of abilities to the mix? That is pretty tough.
If Mueller doesn't fit that system, I don't see how Wolski will.
I don't get what exactly was he doing wrong in PHO and what he is doing right in COL?
were his linemates and the system in PHO really that bad for him?
or is he just inspired now to proof them wrong?
Bolded for amusement.
However I hope Mueller has found new inspired play that will lead him to reaching his potential. I was very angry at losing Wolski for Mueller at first, but if he continues to play like he has during these last seven games, what's not to love about Mueller?
Time will tell and consistency is always what sets the good and elite players apart from talented but ultimately disappointing players (see: Svatos). That said, how can anyone NOT be thrilled with Mueller's performance since arriving in Colorado? From a purely on-ice perspective, the guy has been terrific. And, as importantly, he has given the Avs a couple million in cap relief. That is going to prove critical this summer as they go UFA hunting. Who do (most) free agents want to sign with? Franchises committed to winning and that, ideally, show signs of being good for several seasons to come. Colorado will be attractive and the Mueller acquisition plays a role in that.
I'm not convinced the Avs are going to make any big UFA signings this summer. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
If Mueller doesn't fit that system, I don't see how Wolski will.
Wolski is a much better defender than Mueller, and a better skater too. I can see Wolski being a better fit, especially while still motivated. Plus Tippet might treat him more like a veet than Mueller at this point...
If Mueller doesn't fit that system, I don't see how Wolski will.
I do think Wolski is a little better defensively so that may help but on the face of it I agree with you. If Wolski is going to make $4M+ you want him putting up around 60pts. and if he is being required to back check diligently I just don't see it happening. Bottom line though is Mueller had youth and injury working against him as well as lofty expectations created under a different system. Wolski has none of those so he gets a fresh start. He should have at least a couple years to prove if he can play in their system. Mueller was obviously done and so far we are the beneficiaries of that.
Wolski is a much better defender than Mueller, and a better skater too. I can see Wolski being a better fit, especially while still motivated. Plus Tippet might treat him more like a veet than Mueller at this point...
Defender yes, I don't necessarily think he's a better skater though. I'd say they're pretty even.
Defender yes, I don't necessarily think he's a better skater though. I'd say they're pretty even.
Mueller may not be any faster (I think he's a little slower than Wolly) but he's a whole lot smoother. Wolski, although he handles his business, looks so awkward out there. Mueller actually looks like a hockey player, hopefully he can keep up his great work so far.
Defender yes, I don't necessarily think he's a better skater though. I'd say they're pretty even.
They're close, but i'd give the edge to Wolly in speed and strength on his skates. Fortunately, Mueller shoots so often that the reduced strength on the puck hardly seems to matter. No more Wolskiing around with the puck, it's been wonderful.
I might be in the minority here, but I think Mueller's defence has been pretty good since he's arrived here. He made a couple great plays last game, one where he took out Backes driving to the net, and one where he hit Tkachuk in the slot (albeit a bit late).
To me, his defence is about the same as Wolski's was for us. Wolski is a faster skater though.
Anyone else get reminded of Svatos with the way Mueller is hunched over kind of when he skates and shoots? I dunno maybe it's just me.
I might be in the minority here, but I think Mueller's defence has been pretty good since he's arrived here.
I can't speak for everybody else, but I certainly disagree with you here. He's not Svatos bad, but he shies away from any contact, regularly lets his point man keep the puck in on any step up, and never skates with speed into a corner for any puck. Yes, he has quick hands and that will result in a turnover or two in our favor, but overall he's quite, quite poor defensively. Not that I'm disappointed with him in the least bit, mind you.
I can't speak for everybody else, but I certainly disagree with you here. He's not Svatos bad, but he shies away from any contact, regularly lets his point man keep the puck in on any step up, and never skates with speed into a corner for any puck. Yes, he has quick hands and that will result in a turnover or two in our favor, but overall he's quite, quite poor defensively. Not that I'm disappointed with him in the least bit, mind you.
Meh, he's not all that different from Hejduk when the play is set up in our end. His quick hands and quick stick usually can get the puck out.
On the backcheck he's nowhere near as good as Hejduk, who is one of our best. Mueller's backchecking is kind of slow. That's because of his skating.
I can't speak for everybody else, but I certainly disagree with you here. He's not Svatos bad, but he shies away from any contact, regularly lets his point man keep the puck in on any step up, and never skates with speed into a corner for any puck. Yes, he has quick hands and that will result in a turnover or two in our favor, but overall he's quite, quite poor defensively. Not that I'm disappointed with him in the least bit, mind you.
This.
He's really pretty poor defensively. I realize it's not his job though, and I don't think anyone has ever asked him to become a defensive forward. He does seem to be a little engaged in the play, and that's really all I"m asking for.
Meh, he's not all that different from Hejduk when the play is set up in our end. His quick hands and quick stick usually can get the puck out.
Watch how many times Hejduk has the perfect balance between supporting the play down low and maintaining a good distance to his point man to prevent the shot. He picks anything that comes to the high slot, and is rarely victimized by a pinching D.
Sorry, disagree with you entirely here, but to each their own of course.
He had a switch the whole time and was just refusing to flip it. Given his salary, the fans' support, and the effort level of his teammates, I'd say that makes him dishonest and selfish.
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What a scum bag. I hope somebody lays his ass out on Saturday.
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Its sickening to know the level of selfishness it takes to quit on your teammates like that
They seem kind of bitter
Mueller is the man. I thought we were giving up the best player in the deal but was hoping that would change in the future......well right now Mueller is the best player in the deal. Love this trade so far.
Mueller is the man. I thought we were giving up the best player in the deal but was hoping that would change in the future......well right now Mueller is the best player in the deal. Love this trade so far.
Obviously if your team drafted a player, had a hell of a rookie season and was seen as one of the key pieces of the future decided to give up on your team do you honestly expect them to throw him a parade?
Think of it this way, Duchene decides to bolt the Avs cause he doesn't like it here in two years time and plays less than his full capability, would you still welcome him?
Either way, Wolski will eat us alive. Damn ExAvs always have to get a point against us.
Obviously if your team drafted a player, had a hell of a rookie season and was seen as one of the key pieces of the future decided to give up on your team do you honestly expect them to throw him a parade?
Think of it this way, Duchene decides to bolt the Avs cause he doesn't like it here in two years time and plays less than his full capability, would you still welcome him?
Either way, Wolski will eat us alive. Damn ExAvs always have to get a point against us.
Mueller is the man. I thought we were giving up the best player in the deal but was hoping that would change in the future......well right now Mueller is the best player in the deal. Love this trade so far.
Wolski:
10 GP
3 G
4 A
7 P
0 PP points
Mueller:
11 GP
5 G
10 A
15 P
7 PP points (2 goals- 5 assists)
I'm loving this trade too. Wojtek has pretty much been the same old Wojtek in terms of point and goal production through an 1/8 of a season in Phoenix while Mueller is scoring at a pace of 37 G- 74 A- 111 P in an 1/8 of a season with Colorado.
Mueller is 2 points away from matching his production in 54 games with the Coyotes this season. Looks like getting out of Phoenix is exactly what he needed to get his career back on track.
I love how the Phoenix GM gave Mueller the backhanded compliment of, "he can be a 50-60 point player someday" and he is scoring twice as much as the guy they got for him so far. Phoenix may have gotten the 50-60 point player while Colorado may have gotten a future star.
11 GP
5 G
10 A
15 P
7 PP points (2 goals- 5 assists)
I'm loving this trade too. Wojtek has pretty much been the same old Wojtek in terms of point and goal production through an 1/8 of a season in Phoenix while Mueller is scoring at a pace of 37 G- 74 A- 111 P in an 1/8 of a season with Colorado.
Mueller is 2 points away from matching his production in 54 games with the Coyotes this season. Looks like getting out of Phoenix is exactly what he needed to get his career back on track.
I love how the Phoenix GM gave Mueller the backhanded compliment of, "he can be a 50-60 point player someday" and he is scoring twice as much as the guy they got for him so far. Phoenix may have gotten the 50-60 point player while Colorado may have gotten a future star.
Small sample size. Let's just hope he can keep it up over the course of 82 games.
Damn ExAvs always have to get a point against us.
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