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03-08-2010, 01:39 PM
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36 points in 145 career games, at least Stafford has a 20 goal campaign and he's the same age as Sekera who is still constantly a healthy scratch.He will never be more then a #4/5...I can't even call him a PP specialist because he's special at nothing and mediocre at nearly everything.He is just like a younger version of Paetsch.


As soon as the Sabres get some real defenseman and stop over relying on subpar d-men like Butler and Sekera they will improve.
That's just downright crazy talk.

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36 points in 145 career games, at least Stafford has a 20 goal campaign and he's the same age as Sekera who is still constantly a healthy scratch.He will never be more then a #4/5...I can't even call him a PP specialist because he's special at nothing and mediocre at nearly everything.He is just like a younger version of Paetsch.


As soon as the Sabres get some real defenseman and stop over relying on subpar d-men like Butler and Sekera they will improve.
WTF?

I agree that he hasn't accomplished as much as Stafford but this post is dumb. Butler and Sekera are both good young defensemen. Both are certainly better than Paetsch.

Sekera has the potential to be a top pairing dman, I'm not giving up on that notion. Ruff, just like he did to Kalinin, is ruining him.

However, I'm not on the stupid Fire Ruff bandwagon that some agenda-pushing posters on this board have been on.

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36 points in 145 career games, at least Stafford has a 20 goal campaign and he's the same age as Sekera who is still constantly a healthy scratch.He will never be more then a #4/5...I can't even call him a PP specialist because he's special at nothing and mediocre at nearly everything.He is just like a younger version of Paetsch.


As soon as the Sabres get some real defenseman and stop over relying on subpar d-men like Butler and Sekera they will improve.
I don't think it's fair to use points when comparing Stafford to Sekera. One plays defense, the other is a forward who has spent the majority of his career playing in the top-6. Frankly, I don't have an opinion about who is the better player between the two, and you'd probably get a different answer from most depending on which week you asked. I'd leave it at this: I think both have shown flashes of being top-end talents, but neither has come close to sustaining that success over an extended period of time.

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36 points in 145 career games, at least Stafford has a 20 goal campaign and he's the same age as Sekera who is still constantly a healthy scratch.He will never be more then a #4/5...I can't even call him a PP specialist because he's special at nothing and mediocre at nearly everything.He is just like a younger version of Paetsch.

As soon as the Sabres get some real defenseman and stop over relying on subpar d-men like Butler and Sekera they will improve.
playing nearly an entire year as a 20 minute top pairing defensemen is more then Stafford has ever done as a forward.

Hey, if you want to be down on the record as saying Stafford will have a better career then Sekera... go for it.

you'll be wrong though.

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I dont agree
I still think that Sekera has more potential than Stafford or at least has a better chance ro reach his, maybe i didn't make that clear. But I think none is clearly ahead of the other at the moment and if i had to chose the one who has done more so far, it would be Stafford.

Of course, it is not Sekeras fault. He was in Lindys doghouse for a long time, was used in the wrong situations and added some own poor play. But he is now coming to a point in his career where there shouldn't be anymore excuses. That's just why people are losing their patience with Stafford too, he is already over this point and nothing has changed.

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36 points in 145 career games, at least Stafford has a 20 goal campaign and he's the same age as Sekera who is still constantly a healthy scratch.He will never be more then a #4/5...I can't even call him a PP specialist because he's special at nothing and mediocre at nearly everything.He is just like a younger version of Paetsch.

As soon as the Sabres get some real defenseman and stop over relying on subpar d-men like Butler and Sekera they will improve.
Butler and Sekera are 23 years of age, one in his first FULL season and the other in his second FULL season up with the big club.

Guess who this is?
Hint: In the 03-04 season, he was 24 years old.

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2000-2001 BUF 8 0 0 0 -2
2001-2002 BUF 29 3 3 6 0
2002-2003 BUF 65 2 17 19 -8
2003-2004 BUF 53 3 8 11 -8
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2005-2006 BUF 79 12 32 44 -14
2006-2007 BUF 82 6 42 48 28



Yeees, that's right.
Brian "Soup" Campbell.


Both Butler and Sekera have top-4 potential, and IMO, both as capable two-way guys.
Sekera as a more dynamic guy with speed and skill and hits that you'll notice, and Butler as a more quiet, positional guy.

Defensemen generally take longer to develop, and Stafford's in his 4th full NHL season, and really, after being handed the top-6 role, has been inconsistent at best, in both effort and production.

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03-08-2010, 03:23 PM
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Basic thoughts:

I like Mancari. He was unspectacular but effective, like Torres. I think if both guys are left where they are, they will get some chemistry with their linemates and we may see them make a real difference.

Also, I thought overall the team actually played a really nice game. They made some mistakes but overall, they carried the play. I have to give the Rangers credit for blocking a ridiculous amount of shots. That won't happene every night.

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Butler and Sekera are 23 years of age, one in his first FULL season and the other in his second FULL season up with the big club.

Guess who this is?
Hint: In the 03-04 season, he was 24 years old.

1999-2000 BUF 12 1 4 5 -2
2000-2001 BUF 8 0 0 0 -2
2001-2002 BUF 29 3 3 6 0
2002-2003 BUF 65 2 17 19 -8
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LOCKOUT.
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2005-2006 BUF 79 12 32 44 -14
2006-2007 BUF 82 6 42 48 28



Yeees, that's right.
Brian "Soup" Campbell.


Both Butler and Sekera have top-4 potential, and IMO, both as capable two-way guys.
Sekera as a more dynamic guy with speed and skill and hits that you'll notice, and Butler as a more quiet, positional guy.

Defensemen generally take longer to develop, and Stafford's in his 4th full NHL season, and really, after being handed the top-6 role, has been inconsistent at best, in both effort and production.
Campbell put up an amazing season in the O, and also a near PPG campaign in the AHL...Sekera has not hit the 20 point mark in his professional career, so no I don't think he is comparable to Campbell.It is typical though of Sekera's supporter's to defend him when he finally plays somewhat average after long stretches of him being absolutely terrible.

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In what parallel universe can you compare Stafford and Sekera? They have totally different value to this organization. Different buckets people.

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