POS isn't going to be bought out. It would be completely idiotic and horrific asset management.
Nilsson and Moreau I can understand, POS not so much./
Agree. I'd like to see POS moved as I think he's fairly useless, but we hardly need to buy him out. Somebody would surlely give us at least a low draft pick for him I would think. At worst, he'd be Oklahoma bound.
With Nilsson, just send him to the minors if he can't be traded. If another team wants him, they can have him. If not, he'll be one of Oklahoma's best forwards; or if he refuses to report, his contract is void and he goes back to Europe, problem solved.
I'd say send Moreau to the minors, but I don't want him having any negative influence on our prospects. Chances are he'd refuse to report anyway and his contract could be terminated, so we might have that option. Maybe he'll swallow his pride and just retire.
6 month avatar bet that O'Sullivan is bought out if he isn't traded during the draft?
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With Nilsson, just send him to the minors if he can't be traded. If another team wants him, they can have him. If not, he'll be one of Oklahoma's best forwards; or if he refuses to report, his contract is void and he goes back to Europe, problem solved.
If we buy Nilsson out, we get an 80k credit against the cap.
Buying him out actually gives us more cap space. Which is why it's all but guaranteed to happen, since I can't see him being traded.
6 month avatar bet that O'Sullivan is bought out if he isn't traded during the draft?
If we buy Nilsson out, we get an 80k credit against the cap.
Buying him out actually gives us more cap space. Which is why it's all but guaranteed to happen, since I can't see him being traded.
Buying out Nilsson gives us an 80K credit in the first year but costs us $416,667 in cap hit the next season. so really we don't save anything.
I doubt POS is bought out, traded at the draft maybe but i doubt he is bought out. There is no big rush to win next year, so why not let him play out his contract or trade him at the deadline as a rental playe, or let him walk next year.
O'Sullivan still has value. He hasn't performed in Edmonton, but he's hardly alone there. He is trade-able. I think there are a bunch of teams that would take him at the right price.
Nilsson is questionable. If they can't move him at the draft, the probably won't be able to. There might be a few teams willing to gamble on him if it weren't for the contract. If he were on a cheap two-way deal, there would be a few takers, but...
Moreau IMO is done. They couldn't give him away at the deadline. On paper, you have a team captain, a gritty hard nosed winger who should provide a solid contribution and leadership to a playoff run. I'm sure that's what he tells himself at least.
In reality he's the worst excuse for a captain in the league. Zero offense. Bad penalties and made of glass. He can't even stick up for his team-mates, because if he throws a punch, his shoulder dislocates.
For a last-place team, the leadership role is important. Keep guys away form the ledge, keep the young guys doing all the right things as a professional even though they're losing, lead on the ice maybe? IMO its a more important assignment when you're losing than when you're winning. All I hear about is him being locker room cancer.
After watching interviews with him from before the trade deadline, with him giving the "hockey is a business" cliche and glaring at the reporters like he's thinking "I'm outta here suckers!", I believe he has already checked-out long ago.
If they want to save embarrassment, just take him aside and ask him to retire before they have to send him to the ECHL.
Stauffer is the most connected man in this City and he speaks like Patrick O'Sullivan is getting bought out.
I can't imagine anyone having any interest in adding O'Sullivan without us bringing back another messy contract. One-way players who are costing 3+ million aren't a viable option for teams spending 50+ million. It'd have to be a deal like the Stempniak deal to Phoenix, and there aren't many Phoenix's around.
6 month avatar bet that O'Sullivan is bought out if he isn't traded during the draft?
I'll take that bet. We got a deal?
O'Sullivan is traded before next season - bet is nullified.
O'Sullivan is not traded:
- If he's bought out, you pick my avatar for 6 months
- If he's not bought out by the start of the 10/11 season, I pick your avatar for 6 months.
O'Sullivan is traded before next season - bet is nullified.
O'Sullivan is not traded:
- If he's bought out, you pick my avatar for 6 months
- If he's not bought out by the start of the 10/11 season, I pick your avatar for 6 months.
however I do disagree with the price paid to Hall, and Nilsson/Staios replacement.. I feel they will be replaced from within.. for less, on a lesser line.
I Disagree with bringing back Strudwick, and Jacques.
Also replacing Comrie.
Cogliano will get a little bit less.
Nilsson/O'sullivan will be traded if anything not bought out.. they have value.
6 month avatar bet that O'Sullivan is bought out if he isn't traded during the draft?
If we buy Nilsson out, we get an 80k credit against the cap.
Buying him out actually gives us more cap space. Which is why it's all but guaranteed to happen, since I can't see him being traded.
No owner, no matter how rich, is going to be happy about cutting a big cheque to a player to not play for his team. There needs to be a clear benefit to doing so. Buyouts are generally a last resort.
Since Nilsson would apparently only be 1/3 of cost to buyout, this has a reasonable chance of happening. 1/3 and see you later is probably more palatable to the owner than full salary and play in Oklahoma. But he'd probably at least be sent down in hopes that:
a) another team claims him on his way down and you're off the hook
b) he refuses to report and his contract is terminated, same result
I'm assuming O'Sullivan would be a 2/3 buyout, since nobody has said otherwise. I just can't see Katz agreeing to pay that much money to a guy to get lost when the cap space is (likely) not necessary. And until it actually happens, I won't be convinced that a team wouldn't trade a 7th rounder for him or pick him off waivers. If somebody took Staios' contract, somebody will take O'Sullivan's.
No owner, no matter how rich, is going to be happy about cutting a big cheque to a player to not play for his team. There needs to be a clear benefit to doing so. Buyouts are generally a last resort.
Since Nilsson would apparently only be 1/3 of cost to buyout, this has a reasonable chance of happening. 1/3 and see you later is probably more palatable to the owner than full salary and play in Oklahoma. But he'd probably at least be sent down in hopes that:
a) another team claims him on his way down and you're off the hook
b) he refuses to report and his contract is terminated, same result
I'm assuming O'Sullivan would be a 2/3 buyout, since nobody has said otherwise. I just can't see Katz agreeing to pay that much money to a guy to get lost when the cap space is (likely) not necessary. And until it actually happens, I won't be convinced that a team wouldn't trade a 7th rounder for him or pick him off waivers. If somebody took Staios' contract, somebody will take O'Sullivan's.
O'Sullivan would only be at 1/3 since he would be under 26 years of age.
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Katz does not strike me as a buyout sort of owner. After the luncheon on Friday, it's clear to me that his main focus is building a new arena on the 16 acres he owns downtown. He's a businessman first which is no surprise. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad a local guy stepped up to buy the team, but it's clear he intends to make money first, win the cup second.
Katz does not strike me as a buyout sort of owner. After the luncheon on Friday, it's clear to me that his main focus is building a new arena on the 16 acres he owns downtown. He's a businessman first which is no surprise. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad a local guy stepped up to buy the team, but it's clear he intends to make money first, win the cup second.
Buying a player out can save him money. Hes willing to spend to the cap and they will be at the cap if not close, but its not going to cost him more money.
Katz does not strike me as a buyout sort of owner. After the luncheon on Friday, it's clear to me that his main focus is building a new arena on the 16 acres he owns downtown. He's a businessman first which is no surprise. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad a local guy stepped up to buy the team, but it's clear he intends to make money first, win the cup second.
Already said Tambellini would have impunity to buyout whoever he chooses.
Again, I'm confident on this because Stauffer, the most connected man in the City by a country mile, is talking like it's going to happen.
Already said Tambellini would have impunity to buyout whoever he chooses.
Again, I'm confident on this because Stauffer, the most connected man in the City by a country mile, is talking like it's going to happen.
What did he say? I can't see it happening. Reality is by the time you buy them out, you are basically going to pay the replacement player the same. In other words they are worth 2/3 of there contracts.
IMO buyouts are not the answer. Burying contracts in the AHL is the answer.
Contracts in the AHL don't count against the NHLcap, IIRC. Moreau to the minors, Patty O (if need be), as well as any other undesirable contracts. Anyone who doesn't report violates the contract. Simple.
Katz gets a huge bill and Tambellini gets to build a team. Without the distraction of toxins and poison.
With O'Sullivan and Nilsson's deals ending after next year, it makes more sense for Tambellini to send them to the minors than buy them out. No cap hit next year, and then they're gone (Plus, OKC gets a couple of stars). Of course, that's only if Katz is serious about giving Tambellini the green light to do whatever he wants, because I'm sure Katz would much rather pay them $1.629M collectively than $4.888M.
But it does sound like O'Sullivan and/or Nilsson being bought out is a real possibility.
IMO buyouts are not the answer. Burying contracts in the AHL is the answer.
Contracts in the AHL don't count against the NHLcap, IIRC. Moreau to the minors, Patty O (if need be), as well as any other undesirable contracts. Anyone who doesn't report violates the contract. Simple.
Katz gets a huge bill and Tambellini gets to build a team. Without the distraction of toxins and poison.
If this team spends to the cap next year they are dumber (yes, even dumber) than most of us think.
If I were Katz, my first order of business would be to trim payroll down to 50-52M. Force management to make the tough decisions and accept that the playoffs aren't in the cards next season.
The off-season has 5 big hurdles:
1. Khabibulin
Terrible contract, terrible conduct. Options will likely be explored to remove him from the team.
2. O'Sullivan and Nilsson
Trade, waive, buyout or keep in the hopes they can up their value.
3. Moreau
Trade, waive, buyout. Value is not increasing.
4. Rookies
Bring over MPS? Have Eberle in OKC or Edmonton? Hall or Seguin?
5. Souray
Will anyone take him? Is it worth keeping him? Buyout isn't the answer with Souray.
however I do disagree with the price paid to Hall, and Nilsson/Staios replacement.. I feel they will be replaced from within.. for less, on a lesser line.
I Disagree with bringing back Strudwick, and Jacques.
Also replacing Comrie.
Cogliano will get a little bit less.
Nilsson/O'sullivan will be traded if anything not bought out.. they have value.
Thanks for the Chart compliment, i'm proud.
Hall will get at least $3.4M. That's what Duchene got in Colorado, Tavares got 3.75 I believe, Stamkos and Kane $3.725, Erik Johnson 3.70. That seems to be the going rate for a first overall draft pick so I don't think we are going to get Hall for any less.
Replacing Nilsson could be a similar situation, if you are going to sign a MPS or an Omark to bring them over, could be less but this is basically what kind of funds we will have to work with as a cap team.
As for staios replacement, I already have Chorney in there and i'm not sure if we will have another NHl ready D-man. Maybe Pechkam will be ready and he might only get $700,000 next year so you save just over a million if you do that.
As for Strudwick, and Jacques your not going to find anyone any cheaper. And i'm fine if you bring in other players but its gonna cost you that much or more.
Cogliano needs to be qualified at 100% of his salary so he needs to get atleast $1,133,333 next season.
Nilsson overpaid and so is Sully, but their replacements wouldn't be that much cheaper.
Guys like Moreau bring nothing to this club. And Souray is always injured (and frankly egotistical) which is not what the Oilers need.
I'd like to re-sign Pisani + Comrie (1 year each) as a stop-gap. They are hometown boys who seem to care and remain useful.
My bet is that Penner and Hemsky might get shipped out this summer. Maybe a wholesale change with Horcs and Khabby staying due to contracts + age.
The replacements could make 450k for all it matters.
It's not like it's hard to replace their level of play. Potulny has been as good as either of him, and he's going to make a third of what O'Sullivan does tops.
The replacements could make 450k for all it matters.
It's not like it's hard to replace their level of play. Potulny has been as good as either of him, and he's going to make a third of what O'Sullivan does tops.
Potulny is a rare find. We could try to replace the two with cheap-ish GlenX and Brodziak types, but I suspect Tambo will go and try to find an Erik Cole and pay them Nilsson/Sully money. It will probably Chuck Kobasew ;-)
O'Sullivan would only be at 1/3 since he would be under 26 years of age.
Alright, this makes a buyout a little more plausible, but still not an ideal option. Has O'Sullivan actually been bad enough that we need to pay him just to make him go away? I mean, sure he's been disappointing, but he is third in team scoring, and it doesn't look like we're going to need any cap space that we'd save. Letting him play out the last year of his contract and hoping maybe he turns it around seems like a better idea than a buyout, unless it gets to the point where he's taking ice time from a visibly better player (of which there are none waiting on the sidelines, at least right now).
