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03-11-2010, 09:16 PM
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Why don't we look at a realistic ranking for some direction, say, one that a respectable member of HFBoards compiled with a lot of evidence to back it up.

http://nhlyoungguns.com/NHL-2010-Ent...-List-Top-210/

IF we are going to "trade-up" for a draft pick, the only two picks that I would feel comfortable with would be either of Maksim Kitsyn or Stanislav Galiev. Any Russian forward in the first round of this draft is likely a good high-skill pick, and I am tired of the label of "team Sweden" that the Red Wings have.

Niederreiter is a good player, but these two players have proven to be more consistent, and I believe that they have a much greater development potential. At the least, Galiev should develop into a Hossa-esque power/skill forward, and Kitsyn is huge and very skilled. Look them up if you want more info on them, or if you have doubts.

Personally, I just want a little bit of the Russian Five's magic back in Hockey Town; most of that is coaching, I know, but that country breeds high skill players, it can't be denied.
Really hard to put too much stock in that mock draft when they have Niederreiter as a 3rd round pick. I don't see the Wings passing on him twice.

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Why don't we look at a realistic ranking for some direction, say, one that a respectable member of HFBoards compiled with a lot of evidence to back it up.

http://nhlyoungguns.com/NHL-2010-Ent...-List-Top-210/

IF we are going to "trade-up" for a draft pick, the only two picks that I would feel comfortable with would be either of Maksim Kitsyn or Stanislav Galiev. Any Russian forward in the first round of this draft is likely a good high-skill pick, and I am tired of the label of "team Sweden" that the Red Wings have.

Niederreiter is a good player, but these two players have proven to be more consistent, and I believe that they have a much greater development potential. At the least, Galiev should develop into a Hossa-esque power/skill forward, and Kitsyn is huge and very skilled. Look them up if you want more info on them, or if you have doubts.

Personally, I just want a little bit of the Russian Five's magic back in Hockey Town; most of that is coaching, I know, but that country breeds high skill players, it can't be denied.
Thanks for the link, interesting read.


Anyone know anything about Johan Lundmark, hes 6'6 swede.

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Really hard to put too much stock in that mock draft when they have Niederreiter as a 3rd round pick. I don't see the Wings passing on him twice.
That list is a weighted average based on each players rankings through each scouting service, i.e. Central Scouting Services. The guy updates his list all the time, so the only plausible reason for this is that Niederreiter pissed off somebody in some scouting group somewhere.

I can understand why people like Niederreiter because of his Olympic performance, but aside from that I have not seen enough from him to prove that he is anything more than an inconsistent player; I would hate for the Red Wings to bust their first round draft on another Dick Axelsson.

I will give you this, if he develops into the type of player he should, at least Switzerland's Fightin' Neutrals may stand a ghost of a chance to make it to silver in the next winter Olympics.

And please, please, please, please just 1 draft without Swedes - we have enough for the nonce, and they do not have the best possible prospects for our team to acquire this year. Datsyuk's the loneliest Russian in the world already, give him somebody to practice his Russian with.


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And please, please, please, please just 1 draft without Swedes - we have enough for the nonce, and they do not have the best possible prospects for our team to acquire this year. Datsyuk's the loneliest Russian in the world already, give him somebody to practice his Russian with.
I agree. We should pass on a Swede even if he's the best player available, simply because of his nationality.

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Is that not what happened with Markstrom/McCollum?


And anyone the Wings draft won't make the team for 3-4 years at least, so if you want a Russian to play with Datsyuk it'll probably come from free agency or a trade.

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We really need an influx of scoring wingers with some solid size and speed. Its obvious that we could use more speed on our top 6 lines for the future and I just hope to god we can get some scoring wingers to compliment Tatar, HTD into our system.

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I agree. We should pass on a Swede even if he's the best player available, simply because of his nationality.
The best player available in the first round will NOT be a Swede, that much is obvious, so if you are talking about the 2nd or 3rd, 4th or 5th rounds, what the heck, draft the Swede. If there are better players from different nations than Sweden, be it an American, Canadian, German, Russian, Swiss or Fin, a little bit of diversity would be better than choosing a player purely to satisfy the Swedes in the locker room. How about a local born player? For example, I would rather draft Austin Levi than draft Patrik Nemeth.


"Is that not what happened with Markstrom/McCollum?


And anyone the Wings draft won't make the team for 3-4 years at least, so if you want a Russian to play with Datsyuk it'll probably come from free agency or a trade.
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Not necessarily, not if that player is a true standout prospect; if it is better both for their developmental flow and for the team's well being that they play in the big league, the Wings would not hesitate to play them in the big league.

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"Is that not what happened with Markstrom/McCollum?


And anyone the Wings draft won't make the team for 3-4 years at least, so if you want a Russian to play with Datsyuk it'll probably come from free agency or a trade.
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Not necessarily, not if that player is a true standout prospect; if it is better both for their developmental flow and for the team's well being that they play in the big league, the Wings would not hesitate to play them in the big league.
and how often does a team get a player like that outside of the top 15? The earliest any Wings prospect will play on the Wings will be 3 years after they are drafted. Their is a slight chance Tatar might play 2 years after being drafted but that is highly unlikely. The Red Wings don't rush their draft picks, in fact they are known for keeping them in the minors too long that sometimes it hurts their development. So it is unlikely any prospect will be in the NHL even when it is best for their development if they are waiver exempt.

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I didn't realize it was necessary to beg and plead for the Wings to not take a Swede in the first round. I think the last Swede they took in the first round was Kronwall.... 10 years ago.

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I didn't realize it was necessary to beg and plead for the Wings to not take a Swede in the first round. I think the last Swede they took in the first round was Kronwall.... 10 years ago.
Just to highlight your point.....

2009
1: NONE
2: Landon Ferraro (Canada), Tomas Tatar (Slovakia)
3: Andrej Nestrasil (Czech Republic), Gleason Fournier (Canada)
4: NONE
5: Nick Jensen (USA)
6: Mitchell Callahan (USA)
7: Adam Almqvist (Sweden)
Total: 2-Canada, 2-USA, 1-Czech Republic, 1-Slovakia, 1-Sweden

2008
1: Thomas McCollum (USA)
2: NONE
3: Max Nicastro (USA)
4: Gustav Nyqviust (Sweden)
5: Julien Cayer (Canada)
6: Stephen Johnston (Canada)
7: Jesper Samuelsson (Sweden)
Total: 2-Canada, 2-USA, 2-Sweden

2007
1: Brendan Smith (Canada)
2: NONE
3: Joakim Andersson (Sweden)
4: NONE
5: Randy Cameron (Canada)
6: Zack Torquato (Canada)
7: Bryan Rufenach (Canada)
Total: 4-Canada, 1-Sweden

2006
1: NONE
2: Cory Emmerton (Canada), Shawn Matthias (Canada), Dick Axelsson (Sweden)
3: Daniel Larsson (Sweden)
4: NONE
5: NONE
6: Jan Mursak (Slovenia)
7: Nick Oslund (USA), Logan Pyett (Canada)
Total: 3-Canada, 2-Sweden, 1-Slovenia, 1-USA

2005
1: Jakub Kindl (Czech Republic)
2: Justin Abdelkader (USA)
3: Christofer Lofberg (Sweden)
4: Mattias Ritola (Sweden)
5: Darren Helm (Canada), Johan Ryno (Sweden), Jeff May (Canada)
6: Juho Mielonen (Finland)
7: Bretton Stamler (Canada)
Total: 3-Canada, 3-Sweden, 1-Czech Republic, 1-Finland, 1-USA

2004
1: NONE
2: NONE
3: Johan Franzen (Sweden)
4: Evan McGrath (Canada)
5: Sergei Kolosov (Belarus), Tyler Haskins (USA)
6: Anton Axelsson (Sweden)
7: Steve Covington (Canada)
8: Gennady Stolyarov (Russia)
9: Nils Backstrom (Sweden)
Total: 3-Sweden, 2-Canada, 1-Belarus, 1-Russia, 1-USA

2003
1: NONE
2: Jimmy Howard (USA)
3: NONE
4: Kyle Quincey (Canada)
5: Ryan Oulahen (Canada)
6: Andreas Sundin (Sweden), Stefan Blom (Sweden)
7: Tomas Kollar (Sweden)
8: Vladimir Kutny (Slovakia)
9: Mikael Johansson (Sweden)
Total: 4-Sweden, 2-Canada, 1-Slovakia, 1-USA

2002
1: NONE
2: Jiri Hudler (Czech Republic), Tomas Fleischmann (Czech Republic)
3: Valtteri Filppula (Finland)
4: Johan Berggren (Sweden)
5: Logan Koopmans (Canada)
6: Jimmy Cuddihy (Canada)
7: Derek Meech (Canada)
8: Pierre-Olivier Beaulieu (Canada)
9: Christian Soderstrom (Sweden), Jonathan Ericsson (Sweden)
Total: 4-Canada, 3-Sweden, 2-Czech Republic, 1-Finland

2001
1: NONE
2: Igor Grigorenko (Russia)
3: NONE
4: Drew MacIntyre (Canada), Miroslav Blatak (Czech Republic)
5: Andreas Jamtin (Sweden)
6: Nick Pannoni (Canada)
7: NONE
8: Dmitry Bykov (Russia)
9: Francois Senez (Canada)
Total: 3-Canada, 2-Russia, 1-Czech Republic, 1-Sweden

2000
1: Niklas Kronwall (Sweden)
2: Tomas Kopecky (Slovakia)
3: NONE
4: Stefan Liv (Poland), Dmitri Semenov (Russia), Alexander Seluyanov (Russia), Aaron Van Leusen (Canada)
5: NONE
6: Par Backer (Sweden), Paul Ballantyne (Canada)
7: Jimmie Svensson (Sweden)
8: Todd Jackson (USA), Evgeni Bumagin (Russia)
9: NONE
Total: 3-Russia, 3-Sweden, 2-Canada, 1-Poland, 1-Slovakia, 1-USA

* Last Swede taken in the 1st round was in 2000 (Kronwall)
* Last Swede taken with the Wings first pick was 2004 (Franzen)
* Since 2004 no Swede has been taken with higher than the Wings third pick of the draft with the exception of 2007 (Andersson taken with our 2nd pick)
* Last Russian drafted was in 2004 (Stolyarov)

Drafted Player by Country since 2000
Canada: 27
Sweden: 23
USA: 9
Russia: 6
Czech Republic: 5
Slovakia: 3
Finland: 2
Belarus: 1
Poland: 1
Slovenia: 1

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I havent watched much, but Skinner is the leading goal scorer in the OHL. That has to count for something and if we end up in the 15-20 range I think he would be a very nice pick.

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Just to highlight your point.....

2009
1: NONE
2: Landon Ferraro (Canada), Tomas Tatar (Slovakia)
3: Andrej Nestrasil (Czech Republic), Gleason Fournier (Canada)
4: NONE
5: Nick Jensen (USA)
6: Mitchell Callahan (USA)
7: Adam Almqvist (Sweden)
Total: 2-Canada, 2-USA, 1-Czech Republic, 1-Slovakia, 1-Sweden

2008
1: Thomas McCollum (USA)
2: NONE
3: Max Nicastro (USA)
4: Gustav Nyqviust (Sweden)
5: Julien Cayer (Canada)
6: Stephen Johnston (Canada)
7: Jesper Samuelsson (Sweden)
Total: 2-Canada, 2-USA, 2-Sweden

2007
1: Brendan Smith (Canada)
2: NONE
3: Joakim Andersson (Sweden)
4: NONE
5: Randy Cameron (Canada)
6: Zack Torquato (Canada)
7: Bryan Rufenach (Canada)
Total: 4-Canada, 1-Sweden

2006
1: NONE
2: Cory Emmerton (Canada), Shawn Matthias (Canada), Dick Axelsson (Sweden)
3: Daniel Larsson (Sweden)
4: NONE
5: NONE
6: Jan Mursak (Slovenia)
7: Nick Oslund (USA), Logan Pyett (Canada)
Total: 3-Canada, 2-Sweden, 1-Slovenia, 1-USA

2005
1: Jakub Kindl (Czech Republic)
2: Justin Abdelkader (USA)
3: Christofer Lofberg (Sweden)
4: Mattias Ritola (Sweden)
5: Darren Helm (Canada), Johan Ryno (Sweden), Jeff May (Canada)
6: Juho Mielonen (Finland)
7: Bretton Stamler (Canada)
Total: 3-Canada, 3-Sweden, 1-Czech Republic, 1-Finland, 1-USA

2004
1: NONE
2: NONE
3: Johan Franzen (Sweden)
4: Evan McGrath (Canada)
5: Sergei Kolosov (Belarus), Tyler Haskins (USA)
6: Anton Axelsson (Sweden)
7: Steve Covington (Canada)
8: Gennady Stolyarov (Russia)
9: Nils Backstrom (Sweden)
Total: 3-Sweden, 2-Canada, 1-Belarus, 1-Russia, 1-USA

2003
1: NONE
2: Jimmy Howard (USA)
3: NONE
4: Kyle Quincey (Canada)
5: Ryan Oulahen (Canada)
6: Andreas Sundin (Sweden), Stefan Blom (Sweden)
7: Tomas Kollar (Sweden)
8: Vladimir Kutny (Slovakia)
9: Mikael Johansson (Sweden)
Total: 4-Sweden, 2-Canada, 1-Slovakia, 1-USA

2002
1: NONE
2: Jiri Hudler (Czech Republic), Tomas Fleischmann (Czech Republic)
3: Valtteri Filppula (Finland)
4: Johan Berggren (Sweden)
5: Logan Koopmans (Canada)
6: Jimmy Cuddihy (Canada)
7: Derek Meech (Canada)
8: Pierre-Olivier Beaulieu (Canada)
9: Christian Soderstrom (Sweden), Jonathan Ericsson (Sweden)
Total: 4-Canada, 3-Sweden, 2-Czech Republic, 1-Finland

2001
1: NONE
2: Igor Grigorenko (Russia)
3: NONE
4: Drew MacIntyre (Canada), Miroslav Blatak (Czech Republic)
5: Andreas Jamtin (Sweden)
6: Nick Pannoni (Canada)
7: NONE
8: Dmitry Bykov (Russia)
9: Francois Senez (Canada)
Total: 3-Canada, 2-Russia, 1-Czech Republic, 1-Sweden

2000
1: Niklas Kronwall (Sweden)
2: Tomas Kopecky (Slovakia)
3: NONE
4: Stefan Liv (Poland), Dmitri Semenov (Russia), Alexander Seluyanov (Russia), Aaron Van Leusen (Canada)
5: NONE
6: Par Backer (Sweden), Paul Ballantyne (Canada)
7: Jimmie Svensson (Sweden)
8: Todd Jackson (USA), Evgeni Bumagin (Russia)
9: NONE
Total: 3-Russia, 3-Sweden, 2-Canada, 1-Poland, 1-Slovakia, 1-USA

* Last Swede taken in the 1st round was in 2000 (Kronwall)
* Last Swede taken with the Wings first pick was 2004 (Franzen)
* Since 2004 no Swede has been taken with higher than the Wings third pick of the draft with the exception of 2007 (Andersson taken with our 2nd pick)
* Last Russian drafted was in 2004 (Stolyarov)

Drafted Player by Country since 2000
Canada: 27
Sweden: 23
USA: 9
Russia: 6
Czech Republic: 5
Slovakia: 3
Finland: 2
Belarus: 1
Poland: 1
Slovenia: 1
Wow, its amazing how many of those guys from 2006-down are still in the system

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How many players from Michigan will be drafted this year. Looks like a good year.

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I havent watched much, but Skinner is the leading goal scorer in the OHL. That has to count for something and if we end up in the 15-20 range I think he would be a very nice pick.
Unless we miss the playoffs or first round exit badly, I dont think we will even have a shot at him. Many people see him as a prime goal scoring winger. Unless he bombs miserably at the pre-draft workout, auditions poorly or gets himself into some off-ice issues, he will be gone quick. I wish we could get him though.

Bjagstad is one kid I wouldnt mind seeing. Big, skilled centerman who could probably play any forward position and has a mold of that of a prime power forward. Just named Mr. Hockey in Minny too.

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I'd really want to see us draft a reasonable sized Russian this summer. Someone like Rangers' Anisimov would be such a cool guy to watch. Any potential and big Russians in the top rounds?

By the way, do you guys think the Wings have a certain position/player type in mind for the first round or will they take the best player available?

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I'd really want to see us draft a reasonable sized Russian this summer. Someone like Rangers' Anisimov would be such a cool guy to watch. Any potential and big Russians in the top rounds?

By the way, do you guys think the Wings have a certain position/player type in mind for the first round or will they take the best player available?
Due to former draft choices of this same last name, Kuznetsov seems to be dropping on most lists. Idk if i could handle seeing another Kuz on this roster, lol.

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He is rising too much, doubt it.

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Where are the good D-men positioned at this year?

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By the way, do you guys think the Wings have a certain position/player type in mind for the first round or will they take the best player available?
It'll be best player available, but they won't take a goalie. Maybe if Jack Campbell tumbles all the way down to them they'll pick a goalie, but that's about it. The system is already pretty full with Osgood/Howard in Detroit and Larsson/McCollum in Grand Rapids (and Pearce in Toledo). Campbell could fit but aside from that I can't see them investing in another goalie. It'll be either a defenseman or a forward.

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How many players from Michigan will be drafted this year. Looks like a good year.
Very good question Jackie; But also very hard to answer because most players drafted will be 18yo and haven't entered college yet.

Michigan doesn't have the very highly developed High School programs like Minnesota and the New England States, so Michigan's best players go to the USA National Team Development Program in Ann Arbor; or they go the United States Hockey League route before entering college.

There are many NTDP and USHL players that are highly ranked by the Central Scouting Service, but you have to research them individually (or have inside knowledge) to be able to figure where they're from.


http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=59880

Me, I wait until the draft, or just before, when it becomes clearer who they are.

I'm sure there's somebody here at HF who tracks them .... OR if you have inside knowledge .... Spill it!

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Detroit has the same draft needs they have every single year because they dont fill them. Power forward and physical defensive defencemen.

Detroit should trade up to get Nino Niederreiter a power forward with a ton of skill that would fit perfectly into their system. Trade draft picks from next years draft including their 1st round pick to get him if necessary. Next years draft in 2011 is supposed to be the worst since the 1999 draft.

Failing that it might again be a good idea to trade down again. Edmonton is dieing to get a second 1st round pick in this years draft. Trade Detroit's pick for two 2nd round picks if possible.

This is the deepest Russian draft in a long time. There are alot of very talented and very skilled Russians that are going to fall in the draft because of the lack of a transfer agreement. Detroit could easily get several 1st round Russian talent in the
2nd round of the draft.

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This is the deepest Russian draft in a long time. There are alot of very talented and very skilled Russians that are going to fall in the draft because of the lack of a transfer agreement. Detroit could easily get several 1st round Russian talent in the
2nd round of the draft.
But they won't, the Wings have proved year after year that they are going to play it safe in the early rounds and go for the home runs after the 3rd/4th rounds. The Wings haven't drafted a Russian since Stolyarov, I doubt they draft one early, but if they do it won't be in the early rounds unless they are currently playing in NA. Hakan is on record saying he is scouting Russia more this year because of their strong draft class, which is the only reason I am a little unsure.

We need Power Forwards and Big Physical Defensive DMen like you said, and thats how the Wings ussually draft in the early rounds. Big Strong Skilled Physical players are hard to come by and are only really available in the top 2 rounds.

Also what kind of pick does it look like we are going to end up with?

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i don't really follow the draft or prospects. hakan andersson and the other scouts seem to be doing very well.

i just hope DRW will pick 30th.

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