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03-11-2010, 02:20 PM
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It is a talent-thin organization that needs to add young stars. I watch periodically, that's all. Been totally loyal since the late 60's. As long as this phony is the GM, I have no hope of the team improving. I would like them to tank, win the lottery and get the # 1 or 2 pick in the draft. Gordie Clark seems to be good at making the right choices. Mostly, I watch and shake my head. I am past getting angry.

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03-11-2010, 03:09 PM
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the late 90's were far worse..record payroll and no PO..no prospects .. no thought of building a player dev system.... no future...just money thrown at one mercenary after another...those were the years I felt detached ..hardly even watched the games for a few years there.
Oh, I don't disagree. Late 90's and even worse into the early part of this decade. But I admittedly consider this one long continuation of the late 90's. I happen to think that the veil of a rebuilt farm system and "commitment to developing talent" is a sham. And hence have no hope or optimism moving into the future... as the core of incompetence and a misguided organizational mission statement is far more palpable than a facade created to placate a heavily disillusioned fan base. But I fully acknowledge that I might simply be a complete crackpot.

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I'm not even mad at this team anymore. All I can do is laugh at this team's futility at this point. I gave up on this year's squad all the way back in November.

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03-11-2010, 03:25 PM
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Oh, I don't disagree. Late 90's and even worse into the early part of this decade. But I admittedly consider this one long continuation of the late 90's. I happen to think that the veil of a rebuilt farm system and "commitment to developing talent" is a sham. And hence have no hope or optimism moving into the future... as the core of incompetence and a misguided organizational mission statement is far more palpable than a facade created to placate a heavily disillusioned fan base. But I fully acknowledge that I might simply be a complete crackpot.
we are all crackpots...comes with being a Rangers fan. I dont agree with you about the commitment to developing talent is a sham ...major improvement in scouting and player dev...remember where this franchise was ranked in terms of prospects even 2 years ago...not trading kids at the deadline or for Kovy shows a major step in the right direction.

NOTHING was as bad as the early 00's ...record payroll...zero PO.

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03-11-2010, 03:34 PM
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Its not so much the loosing that bothers me. Its the team. Watching Wade Redden lug around the ice last night playing with no sort of passion is what makes this team hard to watch. Watching Drury be a 7 million dollar defensive specialist is what makes this team hard to watch.

Im not faulting these players for being over paid but as a fan it makes it tough. Knowing your Gm is a ****ing moron and not being able to do a damn thing about it. And knowing its not going to get better any time soon.

This team has A FEW building blocks, but people dont be mistaken, a FEW is never enough. Washington, Pittsburgh, Philly, Chicago, San Jose, even Vancouver all have a hell of a lot more pieces than we do.

Winning truly starts from the net out and luckily we have one of the best guys in the league there. How about that defense though? Wade Redden is killing us. He wont be sat or sent to the minors because of his salary, and he is absolutely killing us in our own end. We all can dream about him being moved, but we all know its not going to happen. So why get excited if we know our problems arent going anywhere any time soon? Offense is something this team has PROVEN you can get by without having much of it. Last year is a perfect example, but you just cannot get by defense unless you have such offensive talent that you can afford to let up 4 goals a game.

Thats the difference between the dark era's of the past and right now is there was no salary cap. We could buy out, trade or do whatever we have to. We dont have those options any more. Everything is more complex because of the cap and that really takes a toll on the ability of sather to correct his gaping **** ups.

Like it or not, the loss of Cherepanov really set this team back. Now before half of you jump down my throat read what the **** I have to say. Im not saying the loss of Cherepanov is the full cause for where this team is right now, however you absolutely cannot just count it out. He was our blue chip prospect. Top 5 talent that fell to us. a PURE goal scorer. You can get by without defense if your team is offensively loaded. He wouldnt have put us with Washington in terms of skill, however he damn well would have helped, because not only do we need a much better defense, we also need another pure goal scorer. And all we received for his loss was a 2nd round pick. Whooopie.

This team has 2-3 more years of misery at least before there is any light. The only two ways you get somewhere is by success or failure. However the Rangers classify as neither, they are stuck in mediocrity, which is the worst place they can be.

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03-11-2010, 04:13 PM
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I don't think 'detached' is the right word. Finally making the playoffs was a great lift off my shoulders as a fan, but that joy is sort of starting to fade away and be replaced by similar feelings from the dark ages.

I'd describe it as apathy more than anything else. It's one thing for me to say, "This isn't a playoff team" in October, but when that appears to be coming to fruition, there's nothing positive to take away from that.

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03-11-2010, 04:15 PM
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I don't think 'detached' is the right word. Finally making the playoffs was a great lift off my shoulders as a fan, but that joy is sort of starting to fade away and be replaced by similar feelings from the dark ages.

I'd describe it as apathy more than anything else. It's one thing for me to say, "This isn't a playoff team" in October, but when that appears to be coming to fruition, there's nothing positive to take away from that.
True, but it hurts a lot less when you never really believed they had a shot in the first place. I know fans are fans, but honestly, this was never going to be our year.

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03-11-2010, 04:58 PM
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True, but it hurts a lot less when you never really believed they had a shot in the first place. I know fans are fans, but honestly, this was never going to be our year.
"Stop it! Just STOP IT!! Once you make the playoffs, ANYTHING can happen! ANEEEEETHIIIIING!"

So yes, detached. I've been detached since the Lindros trade when this ownership and GM made it clear they didn't give a damn what the paying customer wanted. Frankly, the Rangers aren't entertaining. Discussing the Rangers is what's entertaining.

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Detached is the word. This team/organization does not deserve an emotional investment.

To me, the signing of Brashear is really the tell-tale sign of where management's head is at. They are mercenaries themselves. They have disguised this in the past few years, by bringing up some younger players for a change, but really, we have zero "home-grown" attitude.

The Brashear signing is not only bad because of just what a poor choice he was/is, but because of what he represents in general as a player in the NHL, and in particular what he should represent to Ranger fans for what he did for the caps against the Rangers in the playoffs. He should have been a hated enemy for life, and instead we sign him the very next season? Where is our pride? How do we betray our team and fans like that?

Don't get me wrong: I am not blaming the Brashear signing for all our problems or anything like that. What I am saying is that act is a shining example of all that is wrong with management's philosphy. It's a mercenary team at the end of the day.

We have no one to root for. No "team". Just a collection of players, and it's not the players' fault. Oh for sure they suck for not bringing the effort every night etc etc. But it's the culture of the organization that breeds this failed attitude. There have been plenty of players throught MSG who have gone on to have gfreat careers after Rangerland.

And for New York City it's a disgrace that we do not have a team that can compete. There is no excuse for this. Cap or no cap.

I am royally ****ing pissed.

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03-11-2010, 10:00 PM
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I have similar feelings as Trxjw and morffin.

I was absolutely sick to death with this organization during those 7 years. Back then things were so bad we were a laughingstock that transcended beyond the walls of hockey itself into the overall realm of pro sports...sort of like the Raiders right now.

Having made the playoffs for 4 straight years, I don't have the complete feelings of frustration about missing out this season like I had back then. This year, I'll just count things down to the end of the season and like most everyone else remain curious to see what happens from there, regardless of who stays or goes in management/coaching.

If nothing else, I do expect Dolan to have a chat with Slats about things after this season...even if the conversation is brief. No playoffs and no revenue will have to be accounted for to some degree.

Unlike the vast majority here, I don't hope to have a Washington/Pittsburgh kind of dynasty or elite level. I'd settle for being like Vancouver or---dare I say it---New Jersey. Where, no matter how up & down the season gets you can comfortably get into the playoffs annually, and use these final games as the chance to fine-tune the kinks in your game rather than trying to scratch & claw your way in.

Sort of like 2005-06 without the headache-inducing collapse.


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been like this since 94 and 97. No other teams did it for me pre 94

We suck. Sather Sucks. Dolan sucks. We have no motto. We have no "Jam" We have no nothing.

Puppets. We need less puppets and more heart.

We just need to tank and get young kids who are really good. Bring them up and in 2-3 years have a team full of 24-27 year olds tearing it up.
NY is lacking in just about every meaningful category

The sum of the parts is less than hoped for

I would actually prefer a total rebuild as the team is almost unwatchable at this point. What I mean by that is no more UFA monster contracts. If there is a kid ready for the show give him a shot. If there is a hole bring on a one year mercenary playing for next years contract. Deal the performing one year guys at next years deadline for more assets

let redden and drury's contract expire

NY should be a major selling point and the team should foster that in its younger players can be productive and enjoy one of the greatest cities in the world at the same time.

hartford and broadway should be using the same system

there should be someone in hartford pushing for ice time in NY at every position

but Dolan is clearly focused on the knicks. Not that I am a knick hater but I really think they could use a complete rebuild too. Not a contract shedding waiting for Lebron... lottery picks. I still remember when NY won the rights to Ewing.

The rangers should be a lottery team for the next few years (I can only hope they are so bad)

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Detached is the word. This team/organization does not deserve an emotional investment.

To me, the signing of Brashear is really the tell-tale sign of where management's head is at. They are mercenaries themselves. They have disguised this in the past few years, by bringing up some younger players for a change, but really, we have zero "home-grown" attitude.

The Brashear signing is not only bad because of just what a poor choice he was/is, but because of what he represents in general as a player in the NHL, and in particular what he should represent to Ranger fans for what he did for the caps against the Rangers in the playoffs. He should have been a hated enemy for life, and instead we sign him the very next season? Where is our pride? How do we betray our team and fans like that?

Don't get me wrong: I am not blaming the Brashear signing for all our problems or anything like that. What I am saying is that act is a shining example of all that is wrong with management's philosphy. It's a mercenary team at the end of the day.

We have no one to root for. No "team". Just a collection of players, and it's not the players' fault. Oh for sure they suck for not bringing the effort every night etc etc. But it's the culture of the organization that breeds this failed attitude. There have been plenty of players throught MSG who have gone on to have gfreat careers after Rangerland.

And for New York City it's a disgrace that we do not have a team that can compete. There is no excuse for this. Cap or no cap.

I am royally ****ing pissed.
Signing Brashear was truly disgraceful. And to a 2 year deal? Disgraceful and idiotic.

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NY is lacking in just about every meaningful category

The sum of the parts is less than hoped for

I would actually prefer a total rebuild as the team is almost unwatchable at this point. What I mean by that is no more UFA monster contracts. If there is a kid ready for the show give him a shot. If there is a hole bring on a one year mercenary playing for next years contract. Deal the performing one year guys at next years deadline for more assets

let redden and drury's contract expire

NY should be a major selling point and the team should foster that in its younger players can be productive and enjoy one of the greatest cities in the world at the same time.

hartford and broadway should be using the same system

there should be someone in hartford pushing for ice time in NY at every position

but Dolan is clearly focused on the knicks. Not that I am a knick hater but I really think they could use a complete rebuild too. Not a contract shedding waiting for Lebron... lottery picks. I still remember when NY won the rights to Ewing.

The rangers should be a lottery team for the next few years (I can only hope they are so bad)
Actually I think this year will be the worst finish for the next few years. IF they dump Redden that opens up money to spend on some offense, which is certainly needed. And some of our prospects should start helping out too. A year later our D should also be better. I'm not saying we're going to the ECF, but I think we'll actually have a shot at the post season next year. The following year we could make some noise if things go right. Seems like an impossibility, particularly when you consider how much we stink right now...but I honestly don't think we're that far away from being a good team.

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Mostly, I watch and shake my head. I am past getting angry.
same here. I usually watch the tape as I'm 6 hours ahead of you guys. To some point this season I was hoping to be surprised but now I almost expect another self-embarassement of this group. Today was the first time I tried to laugh at some of these tools. It worked.

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Unacceptable year, 29 - 38, 9 games under .500, losing record at MSG...pathetic!

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Just not the year for the MSG Teams.

I'm a Rangers fan though, good or bad. I'll root for the blue and I still enjoy watching them. We have a lot of guys on this team you can't help but like and at times they look amazing, other times - brutal.

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I'm guessing I was the one of the few who had very low expectations going into this season. I remember predicting we weren't going to make the playoffs in one of the Mouth's radio threads, and seeing so many people predicting they actually were going to make the playoffs.

It's hard to be completely detached to this team, I still watch the games and most of the time end up turning them off before it's over. This board is so bi-polar, that many of us are not looking at the positives. Sure at times like these it is hard, but some people forget the age of the players. Callahan, Dubinksy, Gilroy, Del Zotto, Staal, Anisimov and some others are still pretty damn young. They are all homegrown talent who are developing well at the NHL level. This organization is finally going in the right direction. Give this organization 2-4 years, and I think we have a good chance to make some damage in the playoffs.

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I know I posted earlier in this thread, but I think I've come up with a better way to summarize why/how I am feeling detached:

The Rangers aren't going to make the playoffs, and I am happy about it. Not only because I want them to get a better draft pick, but because there are several better, more entertaining teams deserving of that spot that will be FUN to watch for a change.

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Never detached. But its just a feeling of acceptance about our current state.

The losses hurt and always will hurt but not as much as they would do if I thought this team had a chance to compete with the better clubs.
I would feel much better if we had cashed in on trading Vinny and Ollie but it wasnt to be.

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