HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > NHL Draft - Prospects
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

NHL Draft - Prospects Discuss hockey prospects from all over the world and the NHL Draft.

THN Future Watch..Let's look at some top 15 lists over the years..

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
03-12-2010, 12:43 PM
  #1
Habsfan18
Registered User
 
Habsfan18's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 25,114
vCash: 500
THN Future Watch..Let's look at some top 15 lists over the years..

Figured this could give us some good discussions/laughs. Maybe it will also put some things into perspective for many posters. We're ALL guilty of overhyping prospects. We see lists like these and automatically assume the top 10-15 prospects will be sure-fire NHLers with most of them being superstars. Many players turn out to be serviceable players, but most fans see them all as STARS. We look at our teams prospect pools and enter pretty much all of them into our future lineups. It's pretty funny for myself personally, because I thought guys like Brendl, Ouellet etc.. were going to be stars. Well, let's take a look and see who the "future stars" of the past were. Some of them turned out to be stars. Some turned out to be serviceable NHL players. Some, well....

THN started doing Future Watch in 1989. For the first 3 years, the annual issue was called "In The System." It became known as "Future Watch" in 1992. However, THN didn't start doing an annual top 50 list, until 1994. Let's take a look throughout the years, and see who the top prospects in each issue were.

1994:

1. Peter Forsberg
2. Paul Kariya
3. Todd Harvey
4. Niklas Sundstrom
5. Kenny Jonsson
6. Brendan Witt
7. Jason Allison
8. Mike Dunham
9. Viktor Kozlov
10. Landon Wilson
11. Mats Lindgren
12. Brian Rolston
13. Aaron Gavey
14. Corey Hirsch
15. Jeff Shantz

1995:

1. Ed Jovanovski
2. Radek Bonk
3. Saku Koivu
4. Jeff O'Neill
5. Ryan Smyth
6. Mats Lindgren
7. Jamie Storr
8. Brendan Witt
9. Corey Hirsch
10. Landon Wilson
11. Eric Fichaud
12. Jim Carey
13. Jamie Langenbrunner
14. Mattias Ohlund
15. Niklas Sundstrom

1996:

1. Bryan Berard
2. Jarome Iginla
3. Wade Redden
4. Mattias Ohlund
5. Nolan Baumgartner
6. Daymond Langkow
7. Marc Denis
8. Dan Cloutier
9. Anders Eriksson
10. Jamie Storr
11. Jose Theodore
12. Denis Pederson
13. Mike Dunham
14. JS Giguere
15. Janne Niinimaa

1997:

1. Marc Denis
2. Andrei Zyuzin
3. Erik Rasmussen
4. Chris Phillips
5. Alexei Morozov
6. Yogi Svejkovsky
7. Boyd Devereaux
8. JS Giguere
9. Mattias Ohlund
10. Jan Bulis
11. Brendan Witt
12. Alex Volchkov
13. JP Dumont
14. Chad Kilger
15. Brendan Morrison

1998:

1. Marian Hossa
2. Eric Brewer
3. Olli Jokinen
4. Roberto Luongo
5. JS Gigeure
6. Brendan Morrison
7. Jan Bulis
8. Marc Denis
9. Tom Poti
10. Zdeno Chara
11. Cory Sarich
12. Erik Rasmussen
13. Robert Dome
14. Mathieu Garon
15. Paul Mara

1999:

1. Roberto Luongo
2. Brad Stuart
3. David Legwand
4. Vitali Vishnevsky
5. JS Gigeure
6. Simon Gagne
7. Marc Denis
8. Jiri Fischer
9. Max Afinogenov
10. Bryan Allen
11. Maxim Balmochnykh
12. Alex Tanguay
13. Robyn Regehr
14. Nik Antropov
15. Daniel Tkaczuk

2000:

1. Roberto Luongo
2. Henrik Sedin
3. Daniel Sedin
4. Denis Shvidki
5. Jeff Jillson
6. Pavel Brendl
7. Eric Brewer
8. Jamie Lundmark
9. Kris Beech
10. Vitali Vishnevsky
11. Maxime Ouellet
12. Mika Noronen
13. Oleg Saprykin
14. Milan Kraft
15. Petr Schastlivy

2001:

1. Rostislav Klesla
2. Dany Heatley
3. Jani Rita
4. Mika Noronen
5. Ari Ahonen
6. Jamie Lundmark
7. Maxime Ouellet
8. Vaclav Nedorost
9. Pavel Brendl
10. Milan Kraft
11. Kris Beech
12. Raffi Torres
13. Kristian Huselius
14. Jeff Jillson
15. Miikka Kiprusoff

2002:

1. Tuomo Ruutu
2. Ryan Miller
3. Stanislav Chistov
4. Vaclav Nedorost
5. Jeff Jillson
6. Mikko Koivu
7. Rick DiPietro
8. Jason Spezza
9. Alexander Svitov
10. Jordan Leopold
11. Stephen Weiss
12. Jani Rita
13. Mika Noronen
14. Alexander Frolov
15. Dan Hamhuis

2003:

1. Kari Lehtonen
2. Joni Pitkanen
3. Jason Spezza
4. Tuomo Ruutu
5. Rick DiPietro
6. Mikko Koivu
7. Fedor Tyutin
8. Scottie Upshall
9. Igor Grigorenko
10. Alexander Perezhogin
11. Alexander Svitov
12. Joffrey Lupul
13. Carlo Colaiacovo
14. Jani Rita
15. Denis Grebeshkov

2004:

1. Kari Lehtonen
2. Dion Phaneuf
3. Ryan Miller
4. Thomas Vanek
5. Zach Parise
6. Ryan Suter
7. Jeff Carter
8. Milan Michalek
9. Brayden Coburn
10. Ryan Getzlaf
11. Hannu Toivonen
12. Scottie Upshall
13. Igor Grigorenko
14. Ryan Kesler
15. Andrei Kostitsyn


I didn't do recent years, but could post them if you guys want me to.


Last edited by Habsfan18: 03-12-2010 at 04:52 PM.
Habsfan18 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 01:12 PM
  #2
subbanged
Gal-Sub-Price-Pacio
 
subbanged's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posts: 4,512
vCash: 500
The only thing that bothers me about future watch is that subban was said to be 15th last year and by all accounts improved his defensive play and yet slips down to 17th this year, something about that just doesn't seem right to me

subbanged is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 01:15 PM
  #3
FormerBruinsFan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Kelowna, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,639
vCash: 500
which was worse?...97 or 01?...01 for me is atrocious!!

FormerBruinsFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 02:02 PM
  #4
Dutchy
Registered User
 
Dutchy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Montréal, Québec, Ca
Country: Netherlands
Posts: 3,694
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to Dutchy
Quote:
Originally Posted by redbeard7737 View Post
which was worse?...97 or 01?...01 for me is atrocious!!
Apart for the top 3, 2000 is pretty bad too.

Dutchy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 02:14 PM
  #5
Akonite
Registered User
 
Akonite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,047
vCash: 500
96' is pretty bad too. Berard > Iginla is a good laugh. Not to mention they passed up on Shane Doan.

Akonite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 02:33 PM
  #6
Rookie Chargers
Registered User
 
Rookie Chargers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Quebec
Country: Azores
Posts: 7,750
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to Rookie Chargers
Actually proves goalies should not be picked in the 1st 2 rounds.

Rookie Chargers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 02:54 PM
  #7
Kevin Malone
Registered User
 
Kevin Malone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,342
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akonite View Post
96' is pretty bad too. Berard > Iginla is a good laugh. Not to mention they passed up on Shane Doan.
Bryan Berards career:
1994-95 Detroit Jr. Red Wings OHL 58 20 55 75
1995-96 Detroit Whalers OHL 56 31 58 89
1996-97 New York Islanders NHL 82 8 40 48 *Wins Calder Trophy*
1997-98 New York Islanders NHL 75 14 32 46
1998-99 New York Islanders NHL 31 4 11 15
1998-99 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 38 5 14 19
1999-00 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 64 3 27 30 *Has a career ending eye injury*

Berard was well on his way to having a very good NHL career before his injury. 48pts for a 19y/o rookie defenseman in the dead puck era is quite the achievement.

Iginla's first ppg season didn't come until 2001-2002.

I think they were right on in putting Berard ahead of Iginla in 96. By all accounts he was the more promising prospect at that time.

Kevin Malone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 03:37 PM
  #8
Abyss
GO BRUINS
 
Abyss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: CT
Country: United States
Posts: 5,760
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Abyss Send a message via MSN to Abyss
6. Yogi Svejkovsky

What the hell..

Abyss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 04:11 PM
  #9
Dempsey
Registered User
 
Dempsey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Oilers fan in BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,515
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abyss View Post
6. Yogi Svejkovsky

What the hell..
Svejkovsky was an amazing talent. Look up his stats. Unfortunately several big injuries in a row brought him to early retirement.

Dempsey is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 04:39 PM
  #10
bringbackziggy
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 136
vCash: 500
weird seeing Brendan Witt on 94, 95, and 97...what happened in 96?

bringbackziggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 04:54 PM
  #11
Habsfan18
Registered User
 
Habsfan18's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 25,114
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by bringbackziggy View Post
weird seeing Brendan Witt on 94, 95, and 97...what happened in 96?
Witt played 48 games for the Caps in '95-'96, so he was probably considered an NHL regular when they printed the issue. Then, in '96-'97, he played 30 games in Portland. He was probably back in the AHL at the time of the '97 issue.

Habsfan18 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 05:29 PM
  #12
Akonite
Registered User
 
Akonite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,047
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtis Belfour View Post
Bryan Berards career:
1994-95 Detroit Jr. Red Wings OHL 58 20 55 75
1995-96 Detroit Whalers OHL 56 31 58 89
1996-97 New York Islanders NHL 82 8 40 48 *Wins Calder Trophy*
1997-98 New York Islanders NHL 75 14 32 46
1998-99 New York Islanders NHL 31 4 11 15
1998-99 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 38 5 14 19
1999-00 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 64 3 27 30 *Has a career ending eye injury*

Berard was well on his way to having a very good NHL career before his injury. 48pts for a 19y/o rookie defenseman in the dead puck era is quite the achievement.

Iginla's first ppg season didn't come until 2001-2002.

I think they were right on in putting Berard ahead of Iginla in 96. By all accounts he was the more promising prospect at that time.
I agree, but hindsight's 20/20.

Akonite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 05:35 PM
  #13
SilverSeven
Registered User
 
SilverSeven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Ottawa, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 21,459
vCash: 500
03 is pretty bad too.

SilverSeven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 06:00 PM
  #14
RandV
It's a wolf v2.0
 
RandV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 20,534
vCash: 150
I'd be interested in seeing the 05-07 years. As while it's certainly true and proves a point, I believe part of what we're looking at here is about a decade of some very lean talent years. You also have to factor in that in plenty of cases they were 'right' in their predictions, but the wear & tear from a career in professional hockey can end careers before they really even get started.

Also this perception will never go away as there's always new fans coming to the game. You can be told it's going to happen but the message really doesn't sink in for yourself when a Lonny bohonos (my example) doesn't turn out to be any good in the long run.

RandV is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 06:34 PM
  #15
Yog S'loth
Registered User
 
Yog S'loth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern California
Posts: 1,770
vCash: 500
Jeff Shevalier and Kevin Brown, where are you?

Yog S'loth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 06:48 PM
  #16
UkFlyer
Registered User
 
UkFlyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 89
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akonite View Post
96' is pretty bad too. Berard > Iginla is a good laugh. Not to mention they passed up on Shane Doan.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Berard absolutely dominated the juniors, he was simply awesome.

Rumun Ndur said he had never seen anybody be so dominant in juniors.

The eye injury had a huge impact

UkFlyer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 08:25 PM
  #17
massivegoonery
Registered User
 
massivegoonery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Chicago
Country: United States
Posts: 11,763
vCash: 500
Berard was pretty awesome. There's a billion guys to pick on here before him.

massivegoonery is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 08:30 PM
  #18
chopkins
Super Bowl Champs
 
chopkins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,789
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Habsfan18 View Post
2000:

1. Roberto Luongo
2. Henrik Sedin
3. Daniel Sedin

4. Denis Shvidki
5. Jeff Jillson
6. Pavel Brendl
7. Eric Brewer
8. Jamie Lundmark
9. Kris Beech
10. Vitali Vishnevsky
11. Maxime Ouellet
12. Mika Noronen
13. Oleg Saprykin
14. Milan Kraft
15. Petr Schastlivy
Haha awesome.

chopkins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 09:31 PM
  #19
Fish on The Sand
Untouchable
 
Fish on The Sand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Nanaimo
Country: Canada
Posts: 59,074
vCash: 500
How does Ryan Miller go from number 2 in 2002, to off the list in 2003 to 3rd in 2004?

Fish on The Sand is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 10:11 PM
  #20
Habsfan18
Registered User
 
Habsfan18's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 25,114
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fish on The Sand View Post
How does Ryan Miller go from number 2 in 2002, to off the list in 2003 to 3rd in 2004?
Miller played 15 games for the Sabres in 2002-2003. He would have been considered an NHL regular at the time of that issue.

Habsfan18 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2010, 11:27 PM
  #21
mm11
Registered User
 
mm11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,199
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtis Belfour View Post
Bryan Berards career:
1994-95 Detroit Jr. Red Wings OHL 58 20 55 75
1995-96 Detroit Whalers OHL 56 31 58 89
1996-97 New York Islanders NHL 82 8 40 48 *Wins Calder Trophy*
1997-98 New York Islanders NHL 75 14 32 46
1998-99 New York Islanders NHL 31 4 11 15
1998-99 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 38 5 14 19
1999-00 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 64 3 27 30 *Has a career ending eye injury*

Berard was well on his way to having a very good NHL career before his injury. 48pts for a 19y/o rookie defenseman in the dead puck era is quite the achievement.

Iginla's first ppg season didn't come until 2001-2002.

I think they were right on in putting Berard ahead of Iginla in 96. By all accounts he was the more promising prospect at that time.
Yea "The woonsocket Rocket" was well on his way to having a Brian leetchesque career and bammmm

alot of guts to play with one eye after the fact

mm11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-13-2010, 12:07 AM
  #22
AmericanDream
Puck You
 
AmericanDream's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Fort Worth TX
Country: United States
Posts: 12,099
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mm11 View Post
Yea "The woonsocket Rocket" was well on his way to having a Brian leetchesque career and bammmm

alot of guts to play with one eye after the fact
agree 100%...damn shame, he would have been a great one...

plus I think he was a member of the 1998 US Olympc team as well, that was impressive itself with all the players the US had in their prime at the time..


I think he played in the KHL last year, I wonder if Berard finally called it quits..

AmericanDream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-13-2010, 01:47 AM
  #23
loxcane
Registered User
 
loxcane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Canaduh
Country: Cuba
Posts: 451
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RandV View Post
I'd be interested in seeing the 05-07 years. As while it's certainly true and proves a point, I believe part of what we're looking at here is about a decade of some very lean talent years. You also have to factor in that in plenty of cases they were 'right' in their predictions, but the wear & tear from a career in professional hockey can end careers before they really even get started.

Also this perception will never go away as there's always new fans coming to the game. You can be told it's going to happen but the message really doesn't sink in for yourself when a Lonny bohonos (my example) doesn't turn out to be any good in the long run.
Perhaps or just some very good years the past 4-5. I think most drafts and most years are likely somewhere in between. We're also due a Wickenheiser/Daigle type.

loxcane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-13-2010, 01:49 AM
  #24
Fish on The Sand
Untouchable
 
Fish on The Sand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Nanaimo
Country: Canada
Posts: 59,074
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Habsfan18 View Post
Miller played 15 games for the Sabres in 2002-2003. He would have been considered an NHL regular at the time of that issue.
unlike Luongo's 24 games in 99/00? I think its more a reflection of THN being generally incompetent.

Fish on The Sand is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-13-2010, 05:46 AM
  #25
Muuri
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Country: Finland
Posts: 1,597
vCash: 500
2003 list looks awesome for the Finns.

Muuri is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:51 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2017 All Rights Reserved.