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03-13-2010, 10:38 AM
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Same could be said of Michael Leighton
But Michael Leighton is a joke

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Would L.A. consider Coburn for Quick?

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Would L.A. consider Coburn for Quick?
Me being the biggest Quick fan....no

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Would L.A. consider Coburn for Quick?
If they won't consider Coburn for Bernier, I would be shocked if they considered Coburn for Quick. I guess it depends somewhat how Quick does in the play offs this year, right? I wouldn't be surprised if they were willing to deal one of the two for a legit CUP bid if they do well in this play offs and are still playing well at the deadline next year.

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03-14-2010, 10:59 AM
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Only way to get Bernier is to overpay, and the Flyers just don't have the assets right now.

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I guess this is an example of perspective, I've read a thousand Cory Schneider to... threads and people roast Canuck fans because unproven goalie prospects aren't worth anything, a 2nd at best. Yet in this thread a young unproven goalie is worth Hossa and a 3rd???? Giroux ??? JVR ??? Even the Coburn straight across, but Philly would have to add.

I proposed Van #1 and Schneider for Coburn and Philly #2 and Philly fans said no yet Bernier seems to be a different story. I do think that Bernier will be a #1 at some point in his career, but I think Schneider will to, so that's a wash. They both have had limited NHL time and poor NHL stats to show for it. Bernier has a below .500 record, 2.36 gaa and .916 sv% in the AHL, Schneider has a .690 win %, 2.15 gaa, and .922 sv %.

Bernier is younger so a lot could change I guess by the time he's 23 (Schneider's age) I just find it interesting that some people value 1 prospect so much more then others....things that make you go hmmm.

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I guess this is an example of perspective, I've read a thousand Cory Schneider to... threads and people roast Canuck fans because unproven goalie prospects aren't worth anything, a 2nd at best. Yet in this thread a young unproven goalie is worth Hossa and a 3rd???? Giroux ??? JVR ??? Even the Coburn straight across, but Philly would have to add.

I proposed Van #1 and Schneider for Coburn and Philly #2 and Philly fans said no yet Bernier seems to be a different story. I do think that Bernier will be a #1 at some point in his career, but I think Schneider will to, so that's a wash. They both have had limited NHL time and poor NHL stats to show for it. Bernier has a below .500 record, 2.36 gaa and .916 sv% in the AHL, Schneider has a .690 win %, 2.15 gaa, and .922 sv %.

Bernier is younger so a lot could change I guess by the time he's 23 (Schneider's age) I just find it interesting that some people value 1 prospect so much more then others....things that make you go hmmm.
Fwiw, as a Philly fan I wouldn't do the Bernier for Coburn trade. I would do the Coburn for Quick trade in a second. Buit Quick and Schneider have very different resumes. Also I don't know when you made your proposals, but a lot of Flyers fans minds might have changed about you proposals recently, as a lot of fans are down on Coburn a little bit, and we are going into the play-offs with Michael ****in' Leighton as our starter.

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JVR probably won't go anywhere anytime soon.

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Fwiw, as a Philly fan I wouldn't do the Bernier for Coburn trade. I would do the Coburn for Quick trade in a second. Buit Quick and Schneider have very different resumes. Also I don't know when you made your proposals, but a lot of Flyers fans minds might have changed about you proposals recently, as a lot of fans are down on Coburn a little bit, and we are going into the play-offs with Michael ****in' Leighton as our starter.
My proposal was recent, maybe Thurs, in the Value of Coburn thread - doesn't really matter, just found the differences in responses fairly interesting. Quick would make a lot of sense seeing as he's signed to a cap friendly 1.8 over the next 3 years. I'm sure LA would be hesitant since they don't have another proven starter, but Quick to Philly would be a pretty sweet deal

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Me being the biggest Quick fan....no
But I thought Hiller>Quick....no?



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I guess this is an example of perspective, I've read a thousand Cory Schneider to... threads and people roast Canuck fans because unproven goalie prospects aren't worth anything, a 2nd at best. Yet in this thread a young unproven goalie is worth Hossa and a 3rd???? Giroux ??? JVR ??? Even the Coburn straight across, but Philly would have to add.

I proposed Van #1 and Schneider for Coburn and Philly #2 and Philly fans said no yet Bernier seems to be a different story. I do think that Bernier will be a #1 at some point in his career, but I think Schneider will to, so that's a wash. They both have had limited NHL time and poor NHL stats to show for it. Bernier has a below .500 record, 2.36 gaa and .916 sv% in the AHL, Schneider has a .690 win %, 2.15 gaa, and .922 sv %.

Bernier is younger so a lot could change I guess by the time he's 23 (Schneider's age) I just find it interesting that some people value 1 prospect so much more then others....things that make you go hmmm.
Where are you getting your stats from?

http://theahl.com/stats/statdisplay....ason=&confId=0

2009-10 AHL stats:
Bernier: 50 GP, 26-18-5, 2.08 GAA, 93.7 SV%
Schneider: 49 GP, 28-20-1, 2.64 GAA, 91.4 SV%

AHL career-wise, your numbers are off as well.
Bernier: 2.23 GAA, 92.7 SV%
Schneider: 2.35 GAA, 91.9 SV%


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The Flyers do this trade.

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Where are you getting your stats from?

http://theahl.com/stats/statdisplay....ason=&confId=0

2009-10 AHL stats:
Bernier: 50 GP, 26-18-5, 2.08 GAA, 93.7 SV%
Schneider: 49 GP, 28-20-1, 2.64 GAA, 91.4 SV%

AHL career-wise, your numbers are off as well.
Bernier: 2.23 GAA, 92.7 SV%
Schneider: 2.35 GAA, 91.9 SV%
tsn - on the bio pages - I'll trust you, I stand corrected

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=5874
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=4785

just so you don't think I made this up

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Would L.A. consider Coburn for Quick?
Why would they?

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I guess this is an example of perspective, I've read a thousand Cory Schneider to... threads and people roast Canuck fans because unproven goalie prospects aren't worth anything, a 2nd at best. Yet in this thread a young unproven goalie is worth Hossa and a 3rd???? Giroux ??? JVR ??? Even the Coburn straight across, but Philly would have to add.

I proposed Van #1 and Schneider for Coburn and Philly #2 and Philly fans said no yet Bernier seems to be a different story. I do think that Bernier will be a #1 at some point in his career, but I think Schneider will to, so that's a wash. They both have had limited NHL time and poor NHL stats to show for it. Bernier has a below .500 record, 2.36 gaa and .916 sv% in the AHL, Schneider has a .690 win %, 2.15 gaa, and .922 sv %.

Bernier is younger so a lot could change I guess by the time he's 23 (Schneider's age) I just find it interesting that some people value 1 prospect so much more then others....things that make you go hmmm.
those offers are still ridiculous its just been a forgiving thread. when hes closer to playing in the nhl therell be a better asessment of his value. consider the group of potentially available goaltenders right now and compare the hype vs value. only on hockeys future is a guy worth more the further he is from the nhl.

lehtonen, niemi, harding (27)
halak, gustavson (26)
schneider, price, pavelec (23)

gustavson was had for nothing last summer and lehtonen drew a prospect in return. montreal couldnt find a suitable taker for halak but it gives us an aproximation.
(top 6 forward<halak<2nd)

if you try and place bernier in that context his vale comes in at just above nothin and well down on the list for someone looking for a young starter which i assume was the point of this thread

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those offers are still ridiculous its just been a forgiving thread. when hes closer to playing in the nhl therell be a better asessment of his value. consider the group of potentially available goaltenders right now and compare the hype vs value. only on hockeys future is a guy worth more the further he is from the nhl.

lehtonen, niemi, harding (27)
halak, gustavson (26)
schneider, price, pavelec (23)

gustavson was had for nothing last summer and lehtonen drew a prospect in return. montreal couldnt find a suitable taker for halak but it gives us an aproximation.
(top 6 forward<halak<2nd)

if you try and place bernier in that context his vale comes in at just above nothin and well down on the list for someone looking for a young starter which i assume was the point of this thread
Montreal decided to take Halak out of the market so there's no point to be made with him.

As for Lehtonen, Atlanta got arguably the Stars best defensive prospect along with a pick.

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tsn - on the bio pages - I'll trust you, I stand corrected

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=5874
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=4785

just so you don't think I made this up
Just an FYI. The TSN bios don't have any of the AHL stats from this season yet.

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Montreal decided to take Halak out of the market so there's no point to be made with him.
they took him off because the value they wanted wasnt what the market was offering which gives us a good judge on his value.

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As for Lehtonen, Atlanta got arguably the Stars best defensive prospect along with a pick.
the pick was a fourth and while vishnevski was dallas' top guy comparable prospects from the blackhawks (lalond) or flyers (bourdon) could be available for someone whos a starter.


that grouping also gives us a good look at what may be recievable for those guys when you show it like this

price lehtonen - starters
halak harding - would be starters
pavelec schneider - prospects on the brink
gustavson niemi - transitioning europeans

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