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03-13-2010, 02:52 PM
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On a serious note ?

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On a serious note ?
What's bad about it?

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03-13-2010, 02:56 PM
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What's bad about it?
The Kings trade valuable assets of their current succes for a bunch of question marks (on ice & on paper).

That's what is bad about it.

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03-13-2010, 02:57 PM
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Actually, on a serious note:

To LA:
Rights to Anton Volchenkov
Brian Lee
Pascal Leclaire
Jim O'Brien
Conditional 2011 1st (if Volchie signs for 2 years or less)

To Ottawa:
Jon Quick
Jack Johnson

A draft pick or two could be thrown in. But how does this look?
You want our started for your back up?

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03-13-2010, 03:00 PM
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The Kings trade valuable assets of their current succes for question marks (on ice and on paper) only.

That's what's bad about it.
Volchenkov can be a number one shutdown guy. How long do you think O'Donnell will last? Volchenkov & Doughty would look pretty sweet.

O'Brien's young, and has a future. He just needs a change of scenery. He's never going to make the team here in Ottawa because of guys like Zack Smith, Daugavins, Keller, Hennessy, and etc all pushing for the same spot.

Brian Lee was a 1st rounder aswell. He's 22, and on a pretty damn good contract.

Leclaire is the in this picture. He's still young, and has potential (if given a chance, and if he doesn't sneeze and break his nose).

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If Montreal couldn't get enough to warrant trading one of Halak or Price, then I doubt the Kings will magically start getting exorbitant offers like the one you just posted.
Second this, Canucks were in a similar situation last year with Schneider, incredible goalie best in the AHL, winning pedigree. Similar NHL number so Bernier, almost identical actually and they did not trade him to draft Tavares, Hedman, Duchene (all three of those teams could definitely have used a number one goalie). Not because they chose to keep Schneider but because that trade does not exist for Schneider, or for Bernier this year, period.

I pity every team that has great goaltending prospects, they're hard to draft and develop, and there's no way you can use them if you've already got a goalie, and every other team knows that and will give you nothing in return. Fact is if you are trading them it's because you have to. I look at it like the Heatley situation, once an organization can't utilize an asset their value in trade plummets.

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Volchenkov can be a number one shutdown guy. How long do you think O'Donnell will last? Volchenkov & Doughty would look pretty sweet.

O'Brien's young, and has a future. He just needs a change of scenery. He's never going to make the team here in Ottawa because of guys like Zack Smith, Daugavins, Keller, Hennessy, and etc all pushing for the same spot.

Brian Lee was a 1st rounder aswell. He's 22, and on a pretty damn good contract.

Leclaire is the in this picture. He's still young, and has potential (if given a chance, and if he doesn't sneeze and break his nose).
So sending him to a team loaded with center depth would be a good change of scenerey for him?

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I didn't clarify. This trade was if Bernier turned out the way the Kings wanted.
Ohhh, okay. Well, I still don't like it. I have to honest though, I don't know much about Ottawas players.

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So sending him to a team loaded with center depth would be a good change of scenerey for him?
And like Shelle said, I don't know much about LA's prospects. I didn't know they were set down the middle.

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And like Shelle said, I don't know much about LA's prospects. I didn't know they were set down the middle.
Yeah probably the strongest position depth wise they have.

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Volchenkov can be a number one shutdown guy. How long do you think O'Donnell will last?
Not long, that's why both Greene and Scuderi have long term contracts. And Teubert is waiting.

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O'Brien's young, and has a future. He just needs a change of scenery. He's never going to make the team here in Ottawa because of guys like Zack Smith, Daugavins, Keller, Hennessy, and etc all pushing for the same spot.
That's why he isnt going to make the team in LA either.

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Brian Lee was a 1st rounder aswell. He's 22, and on a pretty damn good contract.
He's on a pretty damn good contract because any dollar more would be an overpayment !

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Leclaire is the in this picture. He's still young, and has potential (if given a chance, and if he doesn't sneeze and break his nose).
I believe he has been given the chance in 42 NHL games, lately, and he's having a SV% of below .885. but thanks for playing.

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03-13-2010, 03:09 PM
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what about this then a big payment that no doubt makes your team better would you consider this?

bernier+drewiske
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sharp+versteeg+aliu+1st 2010

that gives you a legit top line winger 25-30goals 60 points very good 2way..good contract and a young vet....a young versatile top 6 winger...good for 20+goals and 50-60points...and good 2way can play top 6 or good enough defensivly to play 3rd line...good contract and only 22....you get a top 5 prospect from teh hawks system who has a ton of upside...and a first rounder in a good draft

this is a very big payment for a very good goalie prospect and a botom pairing dman
la fans do you do this?...if not what if its tweakeed down a bit and its for quick instead would you trade quick?

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Yeah probably the strongest position depth wise they have.
Thanks for pointing that out. When I thought of centers, I thought of Stoll and Kopitar. So thanks again.

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Not long, that's why both Greene and Scuderi have long term contracts. And Teubert is waiting.

That's why he isnt going to make the team in LA either.

He's on a pretty damn good contract because any dollar more would be an overpayment !

I believe he has been given the chance in 42 NHL games, lately, and he's having a SV% of below .885. but thanks for playing.

Thanks for playing? What were we playing?

Lots of teams would be happy to have Brian Lee on their team. He's improved his game greatly, and will be a good top pair guy. Volchenkov is a class ahead of Greene (as much as I love him) and Scuderi. Volchenkov would do wonders for LA. O'Brien . . . as Kingpest pointed out, I can see why he wouldn't work. Like I said from the get go Leclaire was the of the deal.

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Actually, on a serious note:

To LA:
Rights to Anton Volchenkov
Brian Lee
Pascal Leclaire
Jim O'Brien
Conditional 2011 1st (if Volchie signs for 2 years or less)

To Ottawa:
Jon Quick
Jack Johnson

A draft pick or two could be thrown in. But how does this look?

From the Kings side, I don't think I would do that deal for Jon Quick alone, nevertheless throwing in JMFJ

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Actually, on a serious note:

To LA:
Rights to Anton Volchenkov
Brian Lee
Pascal Leclaire
Jim O'Brien
Conditional 2011 1st (if Volchie signs for 2 years or less)

To Ottawa:
Jon Quick
Jack Johnson

A draft pick or two could be thrown in. But how does this look?
on a serious note, dean lombardi would have to be a complete idiot to accept this

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jon quick is a olympic goalie, pascal leclaire... not

their is really nothing in this trade for LA, they dont need anymore defencmen (or added salary, volch will want alot!) LA is not trading jack johnson, and no way their trading jon quick

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Oilers | Kings

Andrew Cogliano
Jeff Deslauriers


Jonathan Bernier

How does this look?

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Oilers | Kings

Andrew Cogliano
Jeff Deslauriers


Jonathan Bernier

How does this look?
Insulting.

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Thanks for pointing that out. When I thought of centers, I thought of Stoll and Kopitar. So thanks again.
No problem. Alot of people dont realize the depth they have at the position. Right now its Kopi,Stoll, Handzus, Richardson and Halpern and in Manchester you have Cliche, Lewis, Moller and Loktionov and coming up you have Schenn. A few of those guys might pan out or move to wing but they are all the same age or close to O'Brien.

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Insulting.

To whom?

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Well why in the world would we want Cogliano?

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Andrew Cogliano
Jeff Deslauriers


Jonathan Bernier

How does this look?
Nah. We don't need another center. Jeff is a good goal tender as a back up and would be better than Ersberg. So, I'm not sure. I think the team would want another defenseman to come back. It just wouldn't be worth it to the Kings.

Also, I'm not exactly sure what fair value would be for a prospect goal tender. I think another team would have to seriously overpay to get him.

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Well why in the world would we want Cogliano?
Sorry; I'm used to making these deals objectively. In terms of value I think that's a fair trade but it does sort of screw over the Kings.

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I'm pretty sure Lombardi asks for more than you or another team would be willing to give up.
IMO it would be something like MSP +
Really? All I hear is that Montreal couldn't get a water bottle back in a trade for price or halak and that goalies are worth nothing yet most kings fans seem to think their two goalies are worth the world. Funny how things change when the goalie in question belongs to your franchise

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