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03-13-2010, 10:36 PM
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Primary International Rivalries

I noticed during our recent international fireworks display how each nation has it's own primary rivals, and they're not necessarily reciprocal.

Each nation has a different perception of who the big bad wolf is.


Canadians consider the main team to beat is the Russians

Russians mostly want to beat the Canadians

the Americans primary opponent is Canada

the Slovaks mostly want to beat the Czechs

the Finns mostly wanna beat the Swedes


then the two I'm less sure of:

who do the Swedes most want to beat / consider their main rival? Finland?

I'm guessing the country the Czechs most want to beat would be the Russians.

Maybe some natural-born Swedes and Czechs could confirm or elaborate.

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03-14-2010, 01:11 PM
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From what I have undestod Finland/Sweden rivalry is not very big in Sweden. Atleast compered to how big it is in Finland.

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I've been watching international tournaments for many years, and yes the Finland/Sweden and Czech/Russian rivalries are also huge.

You make an interesting point about the nature of a rivalry not always being reciprocal. What it has most to do with I think, is whether a country already has a main rival that pulls away the attention. For example, Canadians were brought up with Canada/Russia '72 or '87 as the iconic match-up. The rivalry with the States is much newer as the U.S. has only recently been making headway with its program, therefore many people in this country don't give it the same status. However, with every Canada/U.S. game that lives up to the billing (there have been many great ones at all levels over the past few years), new fans of the rivalry are drawn in. You can bet that this Olympics will ensure that a whole new generation of fans has just been created that think of Canada and the States as main rivals.

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Paging all Swedes

I just heard from my friends in the Czech Republic, confirming the Russians as their primary rival.

so that ties Canada and Russia with being the only ones who are the main rivals for two different countries.

who the Swedes want to beat the most may be the tie-breaker . . .


Canadians consider the main team to beat is the Russians

the Russians most want to beat the Canadians

the Americans primary opponent is Canada

the Czechs most want to beat the Russians

the Slovaks most want to beat the Czechs

the Finns most want to beat the Swedes

the Swedes most want to beat ____________ ?

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04-25-2010, 12:54 AM
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who do the Swedes most want to beat / consider their main rival? Finland?
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From what I have undestod Finland/Sweden rivalry is not very big in Sweden. Atleast compered to how big it is in Finland.
I think Finns in general can be more passionate about the rivalry, but there's no doubt in my mind that Finland is Sweden's primary rival.

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I'm guessing the country the Czechs most want to beat would be the Russians.
Personally, I don't feel it this way, but you are right. Most of the Czechs want to beat Russians. But also Slovakia.

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right on! thanks for the info.

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I think Finns in general can be more passionate about the rivalry, but there's no doubt in my mind that Finland is Sweden's primary rival.
A) are you born and raised in Sweden?
and
B) Is that the clear majority opinion of fans and fellow citizens?

and thanks, Zors, for the feedback. I figured the Slovak rivalry would be there, but thanks for confirming that "most Czechs want to beat the Russians."

I know for the six nations identified so far that the answer is pretty universal in the national fan-base psyche.

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A) are you born and raised in Sweden?
and
B) Is that the clear majority opinion of fans and fellow citizens?
A) Yes.
B) Yes.

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Finland is probably our biggest rival but I'd much rather beat Canada..

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Finland is probably our biggest rival but I'd much rather beat Canada..
And us Germans really just want to beat anybody.

Though seriously our primary rivals would be the Swiss and the Austrians, I guess.

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04-26-2010, 05:59 AM
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Finlands rivalries

1) Sweden
2) Russia (at the times bigger rival than Sweden)
3) USA (we seem to face them at every tournament)
4) Czech Republic (pretty much died down these days but used to be intense around start of the millenium http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8GTf8N7mxE )

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4) Czech Republic (pretty much died down these days but used to be intense around start of the millenium
It's dead maybe, but even now, most of the czech hockey fans keep hating Jarkko Ruutu because of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAZIMkNMTCw

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Personally, I don't feel it this way, but you are right. Most of the Czechs want to beat Russians. But also Slovakia.
I think that alm ost all Czechs want to beat Russians. A
nd Slovaks, well, we like beating them, but we just know that we will beat them so why be nervous?

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The Austrians want to beat the Germans.

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canada's rivalry with russia is based on their history. usa one could claim has been more dominant than russia in the last decade, and we've had more matchups with the states at the olympics, canada cup, etc. (no one gives a shiat about the WC) and yet people still feel our biggest rival is russia. i wonder if the states will ever surpass russia in terms of rivalry. i guess when they start beating us!


i think i was about as excited when canada beat russia in a quarter finals game as i was when they won gold.
any other canadians just as excited that we destroyed the russians as they were when canada won gold???

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Latvia doesn't have a big rivalry, but if anything it has to be with Belarus. They've been fighting it out for the 8-10 position for the last fourteen years, and have often had to play each other in do or die games, especially during Olympic qualification and junior tournaments.Since they're neighbours, they also depend on each other for many exhibition games when the elite teams don't wish to play them. Second for them would be Russia, but since there's a disparity between the teams talent wise and win wise, you can't really call it a rivalry, more so a historic precedent that always makes the games exciting, especially the two or three times the Latvians have come out on top.

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I guess Finland comes closest but to be honest, Sweden seems to beat Finland again and again (not fighting words).
I expect Sweden to beat Finland so the temperature of a rivalry isn't really there. For me, Sweden's biggest rival is whoever is ranked No.1 and then Finland.

That being said, I forget many of Sweden's losses but I'll never forget what happened 12 years ago, Finland knocked us out of the olympics in Nagano. There is nothing worse than losing to Finland.

And my history for the TS

Born in Sweden : no (born in the US by Swedish parents)

Raised in Sweden: Yes, with a yellow and blue soul to match my underpants.

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Finland is probably our biggest rival but I'd much rather beat Canada..
I think all non-Canadian hockey fans feel this way. Everyone wants to knock off the kingpin.

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Finland is Sweden's historical rival...but for me the canadians are the team to beat. Me, like many swedes cheer for the finns if Sweden can't win. After Sweden was eliminated in Vancouver a poll showed that 70% or so wanted to see Finland win the gold among the remaining teams. I doubt Finland feels the same about Sweden winning though

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Finland is Sweden's historical rival...but for me the canadians are the team to beat. Me, like many swedes cheer for the finns if Sweden can't win. After Sweden was eliminated in Vancouver a poll showed that 70% or so wanted to see Finland win the gold among the remaining teams. I doubt Finland feels the same about Sweden winning though
God.damn the PC Swedes. I am starting to think I was adopted.

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Great Britain's main rival, historically, was the advent of Canadian citizenship.

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the Swedes most want to beat ____________ ?
Belarus

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I guess Finland comes closest but to be honest, Sweden seems to beat Finland again and again (not fighting words).
I expect Sweden to beat Finland so the temperature of a rivalry isn't really there. For me, Sweden's biggest rival is whoever is ranked No.1 and then Finland.

That being said, I forget many of Sweden's losses but I'll never forget what happened 12 years ago, Finland knocked us out of the olympics in Nagano. There is nothing worse than losing to Finland.

And my history for the TS

Born in Sweden : no (born in the US by Swedish parents)

Raised in Sweden: Yes, with a yellow and blue soul to match my underpants.
The greatest moment in the history of hockey, by far .

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Speaking of Nagano. I got into a fist fight with a close friend at school after that game. I told him I thought Finland was better in the game and deserved to win and he got pissed off. We exchanged words for a while and the guy just attacked me. It turned into one of those school fights where people huddle up around you forming a ring and clapping and hollering

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The way I see it as a swede:

1. the media would say that finland is our primary rival.
2. casuals would say the same.
3. hardcore fans including myself would say that canada is our primary rival.

I and many other swedes actually cheer for finland when team sweden's been eliminated; you usually don't cheer for your rival team. Sweden has had a lot of problems playing against north americans in general and canada's had more success than the us. Team sweden has faced canada a number of times in big games in recent years and lost.

These are all good reasons as to why canada should be our primary rivals and not finland.

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