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03-14-2010, 01:43 PM
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Re: +/- , i don't care that his +/- is bad on this leaf team, but my observation was that it's the worst on the team. Ever worse than Kaberle's.

I guess the problem is that he does log too many minutes, i can buy that. And he has no business on the PP either.
He's a good option for the 2nd pairing, not for the first though.

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03-14-2010, 07:55 PM
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He's a good option for the 2nd pairing, not for the first though.
I remember Wilson pimping him up when the leafs got him. Saying how he's so much more than a big shot on the PP and that Kaberle will find that he will be able to dish it around, etc. Ya sure.

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03-14-2010, 07:59 PM
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I don't see the value in him. All I see is a slow defenceman that doesn't put up big numbers. I always felt that Kubina was a bit slow, but at least he has a good shot, makes big hits, and seemed to be well-liked by his teammates. I'm not sure that Beauchemin does any of those well. I hear that he was incredible back with Anaheim the year they won the cup. If that's the case, his game has dropped off big time.

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03-15-2010, 12:32 AM
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cant say i'v been impressed with bushleagueman this season at all. he makes bad decisions, isnt an intimidating presence defensively and dosnt produce offensively dispite getting tons of time on the PP. Sure hes got a hard shot but it dosnt do much good when he shoots it right into defenders shinpads or misses the net completely. Id be thrilled to see this guy shipped out of town in the offseason, although is unlikely.

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03-15-2010, 12:56 AM
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Move him for a young forward that needs a change of scenery.

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03-15-2010, 01:02 AM
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Would be nice to see him shed the visor and drop the mits every once and a while

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03-15-2010, 06:38 AM
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Beauchemin all season long has tried to do too much.

He's had good games, he's had very bad games.

What he needs to do is play with someone who has great mobility, like Scott Niedermayer.

I think he can be a good defenseman. Just not this year. But it's not like the Leafs defenseman as a group have been all that good this year anyways.

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03-15-2010, 07:14 AM
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I think the excess pinches are from Wilsons gameplan.
But Beauchemin isn't looking for the forward support man before pinching.

Having said that, he hasn't been bad, just average.

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03-15-2010, 09:40 AM
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Re: +/- , i don't care that his +/- is bad on this leaf team, but my observation was that it's the worst on the team. Ever worse than Kaberle's.

I guess the problem is that he does log too many minutes, i can buy that. And he has no business on the PP either.
It's very common for the biggest minute munchers to have the worst +/-. They'll be out against the best opponents and play heavy minutes. When it's a bad team, that results in a bad +/-. I think it was Ray Ferraro who commented on something similar, saying that the worst +/- players on bad teams are usually their best and most reliable players.

He's a second option on the PP and it's tough to argue other teams have better choices for their second PP unit. He's been a big minute guy for years, so I'm not sure you can say that's been the "problem" with him this season.

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I remember Wilson pimping him up when the leafs got him. Saying how he's so much more than a big shot on the PP and that Kaberle will find that he will be able to dish it around, etc. Ya sure.
I think BB should get RW's input on every trade, and if RW is high on the player, BB should look elsewhere. Finger and Beauchemin both pimped by Wilson. Wonder if he had input into the Exelby and Van Ryn deals?

Beauchemin should be paired with a puck mover on the 2nd. pairing, and instructed to stay back.

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03-15-2010, 10:12 AM
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Can someone explain to me what's to like about this guy?
He's horrible defensively - takes wild pinches, gives the puck away, and has the worst +/- on the team at -16.

Besides his hard shot, I see very little offensive upside. His breakout is slow and he makes these long stretch passes that rarely work. He's getting some points because Wilson continues to play him on the PP for some reason. But I hate him there. He gets the puck on the line and doesn't know what to do with it.

He frustrates me more than any other leaf player right now. Am I not giving him a fair shake? Can someone convert me to the Beauchamin fan club?
Nothing...over-rated, over-paid....lousy hockey player. He is one of the D in the "Leafs very strong defensive corps" Amongst Burkie's worst moves has to be the signing of this stiff and the stiff from Montreal (Komi)...Burke has a hardon for this truculence, beligerence garbage...if he focussed on getting skilled, talented players then the Leafs would be in better shape....The Leafs are loaded with "big, tough" slow footed...dinosaur type d-men. These two guys are definitely expendable. Put some youth in there place and use the leftover money to sign some damn forwards. GEEZ...

Im tired of hearing how the Leafs have such a great D....really? Is that why they have the worst PK and worst GAA in hockey? Doesn't D have anything to do with those stats? Or are we going to continue to blame Toskala for that.
IMO, fair D ratings for the Leafs are....

Phaneuf.....B+
Schenn.....C+
Gunarrson...B+
Komisarek....F
Beauchemin..F
Kaberle......C+
Finger........F
Exelby........F

The only good defender Burkie brought to this team was Phaneuf...the rest of them sucked....Gunarsson looks good but wasn't he a Fletcher find? Pardon me if he was a Burke acquistion... That is a horrible D corps...Going forward I see the Leafs keeping Phaneuf, Schenn and Gunnarsson.

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03-15-2010, 10:43 AM
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Francois Beauchemin is wicked. He's got the skating of a Cory Cross, Larry Murphy hybrid without the playmaking ability, he handles the puck like McCabe under pressure, and has a brain and frame that matches Aki Berg. What's not to love. AND he can log huge minutes so he's always out there to make things happen.

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03-15-2010, 10:48 AM
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It's very common for the biggest minute munchers to have the worst +/-. They'll be out against the best opponents and play heavy minutes. When it's a bad team, that results in a bad +/-. I think it was Ray Ferraro who commented on something similar, saying that the worst +/- players on bad teams are usually their best and most reliable players.
Or most relied on players. Sometimes you wonder if the Leafs are so bad because they've consistently relied on the wrong personnel all season. Looking at the way the kids have played recently, you wonder if the team would have been better if we had gone with them all season.

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03-15-2010, 06:15 PM
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I like Beauch at 3.5 way better than Komi at 4.5 or Finger at 3.5 or even Phaneuf at 6.5. This guy goes up against the best every night on the 2nd worst defensive team and usually does a pretty great job at it.

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Just wait until the playoffs and I guarantee all the Beauchemin haters will be eating their words.

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Just wait until the playoffs and I guarantee all the Beauchemin haters will be eating their words.
playoffs , will Beauch be starring for Canada at the Worlds.

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Francois Beauchemin is wicked. He's got the skating of a Cory Cross, Larry Murphy hybrid without the playmaking ability, he handles the puck like McCabe under pressure, and has a brain and frame that matches Aki Berg. What's not to love. AND he can log huge minutes so he's always out there to make things happen.
Beauchemin skates nothing like either player. Clearly you haven't watched Cory Cross or Murphy to make a comparisson like that. Maybe those players were before your time.

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playoffs , will Beauch be starring for Canada at the Worlds.
Beachemin was invited to the Olympic tryouts as well. The people who gave him that invite also won gold. I think Yzerman and co. have a good assement of talent, their results prove it.

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playoffs , will Beauch be starring for Canada at the Worlds.
I don't think he was specifically talking about this year.

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Would be nice to see him shed the visor and drop the mits every once and a while
Yeah so we can give Kaberle + Exelby/Finger more icetime

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03-16-2010, 09:48 AM
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Beauchemin skates nothing like either player. Clearly you haven't watched Cory Cross or Murphy to make a comparisson like that. Maybe those players were before your time.
I remember both, as in no acceleration and a laboured stride.

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Can someone explain to me what's to like about this guy?

He's horrible defensively - takes wild pinches, gives the puck away, and has the worst +/- on the team at -16.

Besides his hard shot, I see very little offensive upside. His breakout is slow and he makes these long stretch passes that rarely work. He's getting some points because Wilson continues to play him on the PP for some reason. But I hate him there. He gets the puck on the line and doesn't know what to do with it.

He frustrates me more than any other leaf player right now. Am I not giving him a fair shake? Can someone convert me to the Beauchamin fan club?
Actually our QB Puck moving greatest dman ever kaberle has a -17

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He's an excellent 3rd/4th d-man imo.

He's not bad defensively, his hockey sense is decent, he's always asked to play against opponents top lines.

He's played well.
I agree with the first two assessments. I'm not sure I would say that he's played "well". "OK" seems reasonable enough for me, because I'm pretty sure that when Francois sits down in the summer time and reflects he will probably be the first to admit to himself that he is capable of much more than he has shown.

Next season hopefully we see a far more consistent, better Beauchemin than we are currently - I do think he's capable of much more than he's shown.

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Anyone else notice that Beauch is now the top pairing Dman on the PP? Him and Phaneuf are Ron's go to guys while Kaberle rots on the bench.

This makes NO sense at all. Beauchamin has a good shot but is otherwise useless on the PP. Especially entering the offensive zone.

I think my problem with Beauch stems mostly from how overused he is. I think he was used less I could live with him.

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Anyone else notice that Beauch is now the top pairing Dman on the PP? Him and Phaneuf are Ron's go to guys while Kaberle rots on the bench.

This makes NO sense at all. Beauchamin has a good shot but is otherwise useless on the PP. Especially entering the offensive zone.

I think my problem with Beauch stems mostly from how overused he is. I think he was used less I could live with him.
I missed last nights game, but it's usually Kabs - Phaneuf and Gunnar - Beauchemin. I can see him using Phaneuf-Beauchemin if the Kaberle - Gunnarson pairing was tired though, so those are the ES pairings they use.

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