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03-16-2010, 01:35 PM
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Seen Samuelson's stats

Just watched an episode of NHL on the fly and man he's been tearing it up, and this year total he has 30 goals and 23 assists, did u expect this of Sammy?

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03-16-2010, 01:40 PM
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My only comment about Sammy going to the Canucks was that I expected him to get to 30 goals for the first time (mostly because of his expanded minutes and who he'd be playing with in Vancouver). So, yeah, I guess I did expect this.


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Seen Samuelsson's linemates. End of thread.

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My only comment about Sammy going to the Canucks was that I expected him to get to 30 goals for the first time (mostly because of who he'd be playing with in Vancouver). So, yeah, I guess I did expect this.
Something along these lines, though not quite to the extent that he did achieve.

Still don't exactly miss him though, I don't think he would be doing so well here.

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Seen Samuelsson's linemates. End of thread.
Ryan Kesler and Mason Raymond?

I mean, I know Kesler is a good 2nd line center and Raymond is having a breakout year but they're the credit to Samuelsson's success?

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03-16-2010, 01:50 PM
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Ryan Kesler and Mason Raymond?

I mean, I know Kesler is a good 2nd line center and Raymond is having a breakout year but they're the credit to Samuelsson's success?
Ok, I amend my previous statement:

Seen Sammy score 90% of his points playing with the Sedins. End of thread.

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03-16-2010, 01:52 PM
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Ok, I amend my previous statement:

Seen Sammy score 90% of his points playing with the Sedins. End of thread.
Still no.

http://www.dobberhockey.com/frozenpo...uction&sent=go

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He has played almost all his games with Kesler and Raymond and to his credit, he's been his normal Sammy self in those games.

He has played a limited amount with the Sedins and piled up points.

Even if he has more points playing with Kesler than with Henrik (and it's close), he's played with Kesler way, way more often.

If you put Lebda with Lidstrom for 5 games and he got 3 assists, you couldn't justifiably say that he was more productive playing with Lilja and Meech and Ericsson and Janik just because he had more points playing with those guys.

I don't know where to find linemate ice time numbers but if you check the box scores you'll see that Sammy was playing with the Sedins during his hot streaks and without the Sedins during his cold streaks.

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I don't know where to find linemate ice time numbers but if you check the box scores you'll see that Sammy was playing with the Sedins during his hot streaks and without the Sedins during his cold streaks.
This just isn't true; Samuelsson plays some PP time with the Twins, but Burrows grabbed the majority of the ES ice-time with the Sedins up until that Nashville game. Given Samuelsson has like 10 points in 6 games since being put with the Sedins, but the bulk of his time previously was spent on the second line with Kesler/Raymond initially, and then the third line with Wellwood some of the time.

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He has played almost all his games with Kesler and Raymond and to his credit, he's been his normal Sammy self in those games.

He has played a limited amount with the Sedins and piled up points.

Even if he has more points playing with Kesler than with Henrik (and it's close), he's played with Kesler way, way more often.

If you put Lebda with Lidstrom for 5 games and he got 3 assists, you couldn't justifiably say that he was more productive playing with Lilja and Meech and Ericsson and Janik just because he had more points playing with those guys.

I don't know where to find linemate ice time numbers but if you check the box scores you'll see that Sammy was playing with the Sedins during his hot streaks and without the Sedins during his cold streaks.
I still don't get your point. Samuelsson produces more with better players so this means what exactly? The vast majority of his points have been with players not named Sedin. Alex Burrows has played with the Sedins virtually all season.

Here's some charts of his hot streaks, go ahead and compound if stats if you really want to.

http://www.dobberhockey.com/frozenpool_chart.php

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25 goals I thought he could get, given that he was more or less promised by the Canucks to have him on the 1st or 2nd line (as long he didnt suck of course).

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I'll tell you what, no matter who he's played with, I didn't expect him to have more goals than anyone on our entire team. Even with our injuries, you telling me pavel and henrik can't put up 30 goals lol

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I still don't get your point. Samuelsson produces more with better players so this means what exactly? The vast majority of his points have been with players not named Sedin. Alex Burrows has played with the Sedins virtually all season.

Here's some charts of his hot streaks, go ahead and compound if stats if you really want to.

http://www.dobberhockey.com/frozenpool_chart.php
My point was, you put him with outstanding linemates and his production goes up. You put him with regular linemates and you get regular 20/20 Sammy production. Since none of the Wings' scorers have been outstanding this year, he wouldn't have scored nearly as much if the Wings had signed him.

People are trying to pretend like letting him go was a huge mistake because he's got 30 goals. There's no chance in hell he'd have scored 30 goals with the Wings this year. Zero.

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This just isn't true; Samuelsson plays some PP time with the Twins, but Burrows grabbed the majority of the ES ice-time with the Sedins up until that Nashville game. Given Samuelsson has like 10 points in 6 games since being put with the Sedins, but the bulk of his time previously was spent on the second line with Kesler/Raymond initially, and then the third line with Wellwood some of the time.
I checked the box scores - most of Sammy's points early in the season when he started hot also had one or both Sedins in on the goals. Then Burrows got swapped onto the Sedin line, got red-hot, and Sammy went cold for 2 months.

Then after the Olympics, Sammy went on a hot streak scoring points on goals that also had one or both Sedins in on the goals.

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My point was, you put him with outstanding linemates and his production goes up.
Which player doesn't this statement apply to?

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Which player doesn't this statement apply to?
Jiri Hudler?

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People are trying to pretend like letting him go was a huge mistake because he's got 30 goals. There's no chance in hell he'd have scored 30 goals with the Wings this year. Zero.
This year he could have, he would have been on the 1st / 2nd line for most of the season due to the injuries. He has a hell of a shot, he just needs someone to get him the puck.

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I think the point of this thread is to give those of us who didn't give him enough credit to eat a little crow. Personally, my opinion of him changed in the 08 playoffs, but many more (vocal) people claimed he was still useless. Clearly this is not the case.

Personally, I think he's better than Cleary in every facet of the game. And I'd kill to have Sammy on the second line.

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Personally, I think he's better than Cleary in every facet of the game. And I'd kill to have Sammy on the second line.
Hmmmm.... I've been more of a Sammy supporter than most, but I think Cleary is a better overall player. Not by a ton, but by a little. I think Cleary is a 2.25-2.5 mil player and Sammy's a 1.75-2 mil player.

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Hmmmm.... I've been more of a Sammy supporter than most, but I think Cleary is a better overall player. Not by a ton, but by a little. I think Cleary is a 2.25-2.5 mil player and Sammy's a 1.75-2 mil player.
When Cleary is on his game he is definitely the better overall player, but as of right now Cleary is playing very poorly and imo is preventing the 2nd line from being what it should be. If he can't regain his form and continues to play the way he is at the moment I think its going to be hard to keep him in the top 6.

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If you would've told me Sammy would take the same money Williams took, I'd definitely would've said to keep him but you have to pay a little bit of a premium for 20-30 goals in the cap era. Give the guy some credit...he got a pretty nice deal in free agency and more playing time and he's parlayed that into a solid offensive season. He's a fairly-high volume shooter and a power play specialist...the guy is getting results with a team that is having a great offensive year all-around. It's about as good of a situation as he could've gotten into as a free agent.

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I think the point of this thread is to give those of us who didn't give him enough credit to eat a little crow. Personally, my opinion of him changed in the 08 playoffs, but many more (vocal) people claimed he was still useless. Clearly this is not the case.

Personally, I think he's better than Cleary in every facet of the game. And I'd kill to have Sammy on the second line.
Agreed. I never thought he was useless. He was a great deal for the price.

Though he was sometimes frustrating to watch due to his tendency to shoot into goalie's chests and players shinpads. Still, this team could use more of that shoot first mentality.

I'm not sure he's better than Cleary at every facet of the game, but the Wings sure could use Sammy's scoring.

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i used to hate samuelson. then the playoffs would start

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People are trying to pretend like letting him go was a huge mistake because he's got 30 goals. There's no chance in hell he'd have scored 30 goals with the Wings this year. Zero.
This.

While he is having a terrific year, I don't see a repeat performance anytime soon

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Ryan Kesler and Mason Raymond?

I mean, I know Kesler is a good 2nd line center and Raymond is having a breakout year but they're the credit to Samuelsson's success?
Samuelsson lately has been starting on the Sedin line. It is no coincidence he is on this ridiculous point streak since all of a sudden he has the twins on his line. Burrows would not have all those points if he was not playing with the Sedins so I am not surprised at all by this point production.

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