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03-17-2010, 09:34 PM
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Basing my list on a playoff disappointment this year and going to rebuild before assets lose value.

Here is my list:
Pavelski
Marleau
Murray
Boyle
Heatley
Setoguchi
Demers
McGinn
Greiss
Vlasic
Clowe
Nabokov
Blake
Malhotra
Wallin
Nichol
Mitchell
Ortmyer
Leach
Thornton
Huskins
Staubitz

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03-17-2010, 09:36 PM
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I say we make Torterella an offer he can't refuse ...



Only one I can think of who can light a fire under some ass.

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03-17-2010, 09:51 PM
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Let's just wait for the playoffs and when it's over then we'll see if we are almost there or there already.

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03-17-2010, 10:09 PM
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Man, I tried to delete that post. I am mobile tonight. Ricci is my fav, as player, person and now as coach.

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03-17-2010, 10:19 PM
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Slight twist on the list because of my post in another thread.

Going from stay to go, top to bottom:

Ricci
McLellan
Marchment
DW
Tim Burke
JFJ
Roy Sommer
Wayne Thomas
Trent Yawney

Matt Shaw is too new and Woodcroft hasn't had a major role . . . yet.
My issue with your list is McLellan. He has shown a constant inability to control his upper tier players. Players who unfortunately need to be managed.

Serious Question, whats your beef with Thomas?

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03-17-2010, 10:37 PM
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We Sharks fans are so spoiled...

DW isn't going anywhere. He's done nothing but draft some great players and trade for a bunch of star players. DW is a players GM. He's a GM that star players are attracted to playing for. Sharks brass doesn't want to fire someone like that. Looks bad on the organization. Even though he's managed to trade away a bunch of 1st round picks, the Sharks org was just ranked as having the best minor league system of players in the NHL by that magazine.

TMac isn't going anywhere. He's only been here 2 seasons (not even yet) and has done nothing but win. He's not getting fired. Him getting fired would again look bad on the Sharks org, and they don't seem to like putting out a bad image.

Player wise... Blake is gone, no matter what next season, I can NOT see DW keeping that waste of space around. Making him Captain was the biggest mistake the Sharks made this season, but we all know that.

Who else... possibly Clowe, Sharks have plenty of guys in the AHL who could probably step up and fill his role.

Ortmeyer will probably be gone, he can be replaced with an AHL guy. Sadly, Manny might be gone, just because he'll deserve more pay than he's getting right now.

Huskins and Wallin will probably be gone. One of the two may stay depending on how the playoffs go.

So...
Blake
Huskins
Wallin
Clowe
Ortmeyer

This could be Thornton's last chance, depends on how he does in the playoffs. Clearly, the patience is running thin with him. Would be crazy to see him go though. Sharks have dominated ever since he came to them. Hard to imagine how the Sharks would do without him for a full season, depending on the return.

Marleau, I don't think is going anywhere. He'll probably stay a Shark to retirement.

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03-17-2010, 11:23 PM
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My issue with your list is McLellan. He has shown a constant inability to control his upper tier players. Players who unfortunately need to be managed.

Serious Question, whats your beef with Thomas?
Mainly standing in the way of seeking out a real goaltending coach. The top guys are few and far between, but Thomas is well past the time where he could be considered a potential up and comer. Maybe Schwab is good, but that is not a certainty. They might look towards Finland where there are three who have been the people behind the scenes for the guys who have come from there and succeed in the NHL.

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03-18-2010, 12:50 AM
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Most of you guys are still high on the Mitchell Kool-aid.

Hasn't showed any return to his previous burst he had his rookie year. I'd keep Manny any day with Mitchell's money and use a Woostah Center if we need a 4th liner.

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03-18-2010, 07:02 PM
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Assuming another tank in the playoffs (anything short of the WC finals), I'm for doing a rebuild and trading some assets.

Here is my list:
Pavelski
Setoguchi
Marleau
Murray
Boyle
Vlasic
McGinn
Demers
Greiss
Nichol
Ortmyer
Malhotra
Heatley (trade if they get a really good offer, but if they keep Marleau, probably keep Heater)
Mitchell (4th priority to be traded, I'm shocked to say I would rather keep Nichol)
Leach
Thornton (top priority to be traded)
Nabokov (don't re-sign)
Clowe (3rd priority to be traded)
Staubitz
Huskins (2nd priority to be traded)
Wallin (don't re-sign)
Blake (don't re-sign)

And if the Sharks do have to go into a rebuild, the first guy fired is DW. In my dreams, the first guy gone would be Jamison, but that's not going to happen. McClellan can stay one more year to see how he does with the new team, but Yawney has to go. And the whole coaching staff in the AHL is long overdue to be replaced.

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03-18-2010, 07:10 PM
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Slight twist on the list because of my post in another thread.

Going from stay to go, top to bottom:

Ricci
McLellan
Marchment
DW
Tim Burke
JFJ
Roy Sommer
Wayne Thomas
Trent Yawney

Matt Shaw is too new and Woodcroft hasn't had a major role . . . yet.
I'm amazed you have Sommer so high. He would be among my first to go. Probably competing with Yawney. My list from stay to go would probably be:

Ricci
McLellan
Marchment
Tim Burke
Wayne Thomas
JFJ
DW
Trent Yawney
Roy Sommer

JFJ is so high mostly because I think he's ineffective. I also suspect that Burke would do better if he had a GM who didn't trade all the higher-end picks. Although I will admit there have been a few gaffs, he seems to have done better than many other guys in his position, and I would be less likely to replace him unless I was REAL confident in the guy who came in.

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03-18-2010, 07:50 PM
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I'm amazed you have Sommer so high. He would be among my first to go. Probably competing with Yawney. My list from stay to go would probably be:

Ricci
McLellan
Marchment
Tim Burke
Wayne Thomas
JFJ
DW
Trent Yawney
Roy Sommer

JFJ is so high mostly because I think he's ineffective. I also suspect that Burke would do better if he had a GM who didn't trade all the higher-end picks. Although I will admit there have been a few gaffs, he seems to have done better than many other guys in his position, and I would be less likely to replace him unless I was REAL confident in the guy who came in.
Would he though? He seems to do better with the later rounds. Burke joined the scouting staff in 1992-93. Here are the Sharks first rounders since 1993

1993-Viktor Kozlov (6)
1994-Jeff Friesen (11)
1995-Teemu Riihijarvi (12)
1996-Andrei Zyzuin (2) Marco Sturm (21)
1997-Patrick Marleau (2) Scott Hannan (23)
1998- Brad Stuart (3)
1999-Jeff Jillson (14)
2000- None
2001-Marcel Goc (20)
2002-Mike Morris (27)
2003- Milan Michalek (6) Steve Bernier (16)
2004-Lukas Kaspar(22)
2005-Devin Setoguchi(8) [Slovenian Kid year]
2006-Ty Wishart(16)
2007-Logan Couture(9) Nick Petrecki (28)
2008-None
2009-None

A couple of good hits early, but other than that its a pretty unspectacular list.

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03-18-2010, 08:17 PM
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Would he though? He seems to do better with the later rounds. Burke joined the scouting staff in 1992-93. Here are the Sharks first rounders since 1993

1993-Viktor Kozlov (6)
1994-Jeff Friesen (11)
1995-Teemu Riihijarvi (12)
1996-Andrei Zyzuin (2) Marco Sturm (21)
1997-Patrick Marleau (2) Scott Hannan (23)
1998- Brad Stuart (3)
1999-Jeff Jillson (14)
2000- None
2001-Marcel Goc (20)
2002-Mike Morris (27)
2003- Milan Michalek (6) Steve Bernier (16)
2004-Lukas Kaspar(22)
2005-Devin Setoguchi(8) [Slovenian Kid year]
2006-Ty Wishart(16)
2007-Logan Couture(9) Nick Petrecki (28)
2008-None
2009-None

A couple of good hits early, but other than that its a pretty unspectacular list.
Ya, but look what he's done with all of our low round picks

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03-18-2010, 08:21 PM
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Ya, but look what he's done with all of our low round picks
Well thats my point, Burke's short comings weren't due to not having higher round picks but rather not making great choices in the first round. He does better in the later rounds.

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03-18-2010, 08:22 PM
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Would he though? He seems to do better with the later rounds. Burke joined the scouting staff in 1992-93. Here are the Sharks first rounders since 1993

1993-Viktor Kozlov (6)
1994-Jeff Friesen (11)
1995-Teemu Riihijarvi (12)
1996-Andrei Zyzuin (2) Marco Sturm (21)
1997-Patrick Marleau (2) Scott Hannan (23)
1998- Brad Stuart (3)
1999-Jeff Jillson (14)
2000- None
2001-Marcel Goc (20)
2002-Mike Morris (27)
2003- Milan Michalek (6) Steve Bernier (16)
2004-Lukas Kaspar(22)
2005-Devin Setoguchi(8) [Slovenian Kid year]
2006-Ty Wishart(16)
2007-Logan Couture(9) Nick Petrecki (28)
2008-None
2009-None

A couple of good hits early, but other than that its a pretty unspectacular list.
Next to that you could go Getzlaf/Richards vs. Bernier in 03. Also, Hennessey/Carle vs Weber in the same year.

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Next to that you could go Getzlaf/Richards vs. Bernier in 03. Also, Hennessey/Carle vs Weber in the same year.
Or Zach Parise vs Michalek.

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03-18-2010, 08:26 PM
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Or Zach Parise vs Michalek.
Calamari vs Goc.

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Calamari vs Goc.
I am unaware of this player.

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Next to that you could go Getzlaf/Richards vs. Bernier in 03. Also, Hennessey/Carle vs Weber in the same year.
I actually thought about that, but didn't know who to exclude lol. That draft was freaking deep.

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Calamari vs Goc.
Dude Goc made the Olympics...

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If this season's postseason is similar to those in the past, Thornton is a must-go. Nabokov and Marleau would also be favorites to be jettisoned.

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If this season's postseason is similar to those in the past, Thornton is a must-go. Nabokov and Marleau would also be favorites to be jettisoned.
He only has one year in his contract + NTC. I think Wilson will wait another year. If we get knocked out in the 1st round, Marleau should be only signed for $4.5mil or less.

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He only has one year in his contract + NTC. I think Wilson will wait another year. If we get knocked out in the 1st round, Marleau should be only signed for $4.5mil or less.
Wilson may do that, but how would that work? Thornton knowing he is completely not wanted?

If he could be traded, I would rather San Jose trade him and get some value for him to help jump-start the franchise.

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Assuming another tank in the playoffs (anything short of the WC finals), I'm for doing a rebuild and trading some assets.

Here is my list:
Pavelski
Setoguchi
Marleau
Murray
Boyle
Vlasic
McGinn
Demers
Greiss
Nichol
Ortmyer
Malhotra
Heatley (trade if they get a really good offer, but if they keep Marleau, probably keep Heater)
Mitchell (4th priority to be traded, I'm shocked to say I would rather keep Nichol)
Leach
Thornton (top priority to be traded)
Nabokov (don't re-sign)
Clowe (3rd priority to be traded)
Staubitz
Huskins (2nd priority to be traded)
Wallin (don't re-sign)
Blake (don't re-sign)

And if the Sharks do have to go into a rebuild, the first guy fired is DW. In my dreams, the first guy gone would be Jamison, but that's not going to happen. McClellan can stay one more year to see how he does with the new team, but Yawney has to go. And the whole coaching staff in the AHL is long overdue to be replaced.
Murray over Boyle? OK then....

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Next to that you could go Getzlaf/Richards vs. Bernier in 03. Also, Hennessey/Carle vs Weber in the same year.
To be fair, Getzlaf developed into the player he is today because Anaheim is great at working with prospects who need to work on their skating.

Hennessey wasn't a great pick, but Carle's development was just mishandled. Talent-wise, I'd say he was equal to or better than Weber.

The '05 draft really grinds my gears though. Setoguchi wasn't a terrible pick, but the fact that Burke/the draft staff remarked that they thought Kopitar was overrated shows both a serious lack of professionalism and a serious lack of ability to correctly judge a player. I have always found it strange that San Jose doesn't have more scouts in Europe. They have tons of scouts in NA, and spend a lot of money on other things; one would guess they are simply not interested in European draftees.

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Murray over Boyle? OK then....
We're rebuilding in that scenario. Boyle is a tradable asset that will have a higher return. If we are rebuilding, Demers can be the new puck-moving forward. Or someone younger we might be in return for Boyle.

If we do a rebuild, I want a rebuild. Not the piddly little "tweaking" DW is wont to do. Keep the good young guys, trade the expensive older guys, and try to DEVELOP a team. Development is one of my major beefs with Sommer specifically, and DW in general. The Sharks have generally done a terrible job in developing their players, with a few exceptions.

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