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03-18-2010, 11:24 AM
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It took this thread for you to realize that? I've been pretty vocal about my distaste for Tortorella for the majority of the season. I think the guy is a lousy coach that doesn't have an understanding of how and where to use his own players.

I don't take the blame off of the players in any way other than the fact I think they were set-up to fail by the GM and, to a lesser extent, the coach. Are they blame free? Absolutely not.



Again, how do you expect the guy, who scores ~50% of his goals annually on the powerplay, to score 20+ goals when he's not being used on the powerplay? If he averaged 40 goals per season, that might be reasonable, but the math just doesn't add up.

The guy shows passion every night by going out and playing the role he's been given. How do you question the passion of a guy who lays down in front of a 95 mph slap shot, and then does it again, and again, and again?

People take issue with his personality, the same way they did with Renney. Fans are pissed, so they want the coach and the captain to be pissed too. The coach and captain get pissed, but now they're not mad enough. Then the captain gets really pissed off, and now he's overstepping the line.

Reasonable expectations: Wanting the captain to set an example and try to get his team motivated. Hoping he comes up with the big play at the right time.

Unreasonable expectations: Expecting a professional hockey player to mimic the emotions of the fan base. Expecting a captain to turn a non-playoff team into a playoff team. Expecting him to score a big goal, when he's never put in the position to do so.
Three reasons I don't want Torts fired.

1-He's been on the job for just one year.

2-Firing him will only give Sather one more season at the helm.

3-It's almost the same group of players as last season and it's the same results with two different coaches. What makes me think a third will change anything in there? Even better what makes you think Sather/Dolan will get it right the 6th time around?

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03-18-2010, 11:29 AM
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The water bottle incident — and everything it stood for..

His petty spats with Brooks in postgames. I don't care about whether it started before he got here.

His non-answers.

His ridiculous facial expressions.



At the very least it's a lot more in about a year than we ever got from Renney.
Ah the guy you all wanted fired last season because he lost this team. Maybe this team is just too easy to lose in an 82 game schedule, again that blame I put at the captains feet for what happens in that locker room.

His non-answers does piss me off as well though.

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3-It's almost the same group of players as last season and it's the same results with two different coaches. What makes me think a third will change anything in there? Even better what makes you think Sather/Dolan will get it right the 6th time around?
Last I checked this team turned over almost 50% of it's roster, plus we have a superstar forward now.

I thought these were all "Torts guys" (aside from Redden, Roszy, and Drury)? Surely John Tortorella is excellent at coaching "Torts Guys" right?

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2-Firing him will only give Sather one more season at the helm.
I think that's inevitable regardless.


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3-It's almost the same group of players as last season and it's the same results with two different coaches. What makes me think a third will change anything in there? Even better what makes you think Sather/Dolan will get it right the 6th time around?
It's really not the same group of players.

Christensen
Gaborik
Prospal
Anisimov
Boyle
Lisin
Jokinen
Prust
Brashear
Shelley
Del Zotto
Gilroy

All weren't with the team last year.

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03-18-2010, 11:31 AM
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Ah the guy you all wanted fired last season because he lost this team. Maybe this team is just too easy to lose in an 82 game schedule, again that blame I put at the captains feet for what happens in that locker room.

His non-answers does piss me off as well though.
I never wanted Renney fired.

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03-18-2010, 11:38 AM
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Last I checked this team turned over almost 50% of it's roster, plus we have a superstar forward now.

I thought these were all "Torts guys" (aside from Redden, Roszy, and Drury)? Surely John Tortorella is excellent at coaching "Torts Guys" right?
Take out Gomez and Zherdev add in Jokinen and Gaborik. Other than that yes the core of the team is the same.

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I think that's inevitable regardless.




It's really not the same group of players.

Christensen
Gaborik
Prospal
Anisimov
Boyle
Lisin
Jokinen
Prust
Brashear
Shelley
Del Zotto
Gilroy

All weren't with the team last year.
Brash isn't with the team now. Shelley and Prust? 4th liners?

I would say Boyle is an improvement over Betts.

Gaborik is an improvement over Zherdev.

I was talking about the core of the team man, not every fringe player that has come and gone.

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03-18-2010, 11:42 AM
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I never wanted Renney fired.
Your one of the few then.

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Brash isn't with the team now. Shelley and Prust? 4th liners?

I would say Boyle is an improvement over Betts.

Gaborik is an improvement over Zherdev.

I was talking about the core of the team man, not every fringe player that has come and gone.
The core of the team changed. The top line is basically all new. Their #1 PP D-man is new. They have two rookies on the blueline.

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Brash isn't with the team now. Shelley and Prust? 4th liners?

I would say Boyle is an improvement over Betts.


Gaborik is an improvement over Zherdev.

I was talking about the core of the team man, not every fringe player that has come and gone.
yeah I wouldn't. Bett's PK and faceoff % kinda win that one.

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Your one of the few then.
Not at all.

The faaaaans who wanted Torts are getting their just dessert.

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Brash isn't with the team now. Shelley and Prust? 4th liners?

I would say Boyle is an improvement over Betts.

Gaborik is an improvement over Zherdev.

I was talking about the core of the team man, not every fringe player that has come and gone.
In the locker room, just be cause you are a 4th liner, doesnt mean you dont get to speak as much as a 1st liner. I believe their are 2 arguments:

1) The team lacks skill.
True.

2) The team seems to have motivational issues.
True.

Most of the team has changed over since last season.

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The core of the team changed. The top line is basically all new. Their #1 PP D-man is new. They have two rookies on the blueline.
The top line is new almost every week man. Your last sentence your talking about the same guy twice (Del Zotto) and Gilroy is a 26 year old "rookie" on a one way contract. I would not call them core players for this season as they weren't even a sure thing to be on the team.

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yeah I wouldn't. Bett's PK and faceoff % kinda win that one.
But Betts blocks shots, he should be captain.

Really though Boyle has been good on the PK as well and with his age and size I think he's the better bet for the long haul.

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But Betts blocks shots, he should be captain.

Really though Boyle has been good on the PK as well and with his age and size I think he's the better bet for the long haul.
Yeah I really don't have a problem with the 4th line. I'm a big fan of Prust, and I prefer Shelley to Brashear (considering I've always hated Brashear as much as Brodeur). I think Boyle has been fine, but I'd still rather have Bettsy in there.

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I feel what he's saying, but I think it comes with having one of the youngest teams in the league.
We're barely inside the top 10 youngest teams in the league. I don't think what Drury was saying has much to do with age and much more to do with attitude.

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Tortorella is upset that Drury used the word immaturity. In fact, until Drury rescinds that comment, Torts is going to lock himself in his room, and not let any one play with his toys.

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The top line is new almost every week man. Your last sentence your talking about the same guy twice (Del Zotto) and Gilroy is a 26 year old "rookie" on a one way contract. I would not call them core players for this season as they weren't even a sure thing to be on the team.
The top line may be new every week but the two mainstays weren't here.


I'm not sure how you can't consider your PP QB to be part of the core.

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Every time there's an opportunity to bash the guy, the same people come out of the woodwork spewing the same trash about how Messier would turn this team around, and Drury is a bum that is solely responsible for this team's putrid performance.

So I ask you this; If Drury is such an embarrassment of a hockey player, and a terrible leader to boot, why aren't the other players on the team stepping up to take the reins? Could it possibly be a lack of.. gasp.. maturity amongst the players?

All I read around here is: "Drury doesn't have enough balls to lead this team!!" and now that he's called out a group of lazy, uninspired players, people are calling him an idiot. Hilarious.

He's not producing enough, but you all ignore the fact that despite the fact he led the team in PP goals last season, he's been missing from the PP almost this entire year. Plus, when he does get time on the PP, he was stuck at the point because apparently Tortorella was never aware of the fact he was one of the best garbage goal scorers in the league until Ron Wilson showed him how to use his own ****ing Captain at the Olympics.

People continue to bring up his statistics in Buffalo, but ignore the fact that our talent level over the last several seasons has paled in comparison to theirs. Vanek, Briere, Stafford, Pomminville, Roy, Afinogenov, Campbell, etc. That team had 4.. read that again: FOUR (4) guys who scored over 30 goals. I guess it's easier to say he sucks and pick and choose your stats than it is to provide some context to your 'arguments'.. if you even want to call them that.

It's really just sad at this point.
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Take out Gomez and Zherdev add in Jokinen and Gaborik. Other than that yes the core of the team is the same.
You don't consider Gaborik, Prospal, Del Zotto to be part of the core of the team? Seems like a pretty significant change to me, especially with Gaborik.

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The Coyotes are a young team in a much harder conference and they are doing great. Young teams do well if they are lead the right way.
Phoenix is a lot more well rounded when it comes to talent and have a much better coach, IMO. I have a hard time believing Shane Doan is the #1 reason behind the Coyotes success. You're grasping at straws with this argument.

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Tortorella is upset that Drury used the word immaturity. In fact, until Drury rescinds that comment, Torts is going to lock himself in his room, and not let any one play with his toys.
He's upset because I bet Drury thinks Tortorella is a part of the immaturity.

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He's upset because I bet Drury thinks Tortorella is a part of the immaturity.
http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/r..._not_so_sweet/
"I think that’s the wrong word to use by Dru and we’ve ironed that out within the locker room today."

apparently they've "ironed it out" already. whether that's anything more than Tortorella saying "I know you are, but what am I?" I have my doubts...

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You don't consider Gaborik, Prospal, Del Zotto to be part of the core of the team? Seems like a pretty significant change to me, especially with Gaborik.
yeah we actually agree on this one...

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