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04-09-2010, 05:28 PM
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how come nobody ever talks about our own 1st round pick?



meh tht was too soon even for me

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04-09-2010, 05:30 PM
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we play them 8 times a year. also they are our divisional rival if that doesnt cut it either we have a long history with them from original 6 days i think a true hockey fan will care and see what there team will be against when playing them 6-8 times a year
We play them six times a year not eight.

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if you'd been reading the posts carefully, you'd know that he is using bust in a different sense. maybe bust isn't the word he should've picked, but his point still stands.

he was using it in the sense of the chance of a player essentially being as good as kessel, for the sake of this discussion. we will win this trade if the player(s) picked aren't as good as kessel. simple as that. there's no guarantee that segiun/hall will bust, or even become decent 1st liners, but there's also no guarantee that they'll become superstars, ala stamkos.

at the same time, there's no guarantee that kessel won't get better. in fact, i'd say that there's a pretty good chance he'll improve. he's what, 22?
Good enough points and all true, but what really should (and will) be measured is not if Kessel turns out to be superior to Seguin or Hall or whomever, but whether Kessel is worth all three players picked. And if we draft another bottom 10 pick next year, which is a very real possibility, I don't see how Kessel can be worth that much, not by half.

Then again, they could all bust and Kessel could score 40+ the next five years. Only time will tell.

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we play them 8 times a year. also they are our divisional rival if that doesnt cut it either we have a long history with them from original 6 days i think a true hockey fan will care and see what there team will be against when playing them 6-8 times a year
We play them 6 times a year.
Honestly, I will be upset when it's not us picking top 3, but I am really happy with Kessel. getting 30 goals after missing camp because of shoulder surgery, also missed the first month, not to mention that everyone didn't even think that Kessel could get to 25 goals because of his surgery and because he didn't have 'Savard', oh yeah he did it on a cruddy Leafs team with no true #1 center. Now that's something that shouldn't be overlooked like some people seem to be doing. A lot of the games that the Leafs won were because of Kessel. Remember the last or 2nd last game against Ottawa when we one in the shoot-out, it was because Kessel scored our only goal to get us there. What about that game against Florida earlier in the season when Kessel dangled the whole team and scored.

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04-09-2010, 05:51 PM
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I'm more concerned an up and coming team will land him than the offensively challenged Bruins.

Can you imagine?

Vinnie, St. Louis, Hedman, Stamkos, Seguin
Wait...what?....I think Boston's ok with krechi bergeron lucic stewart hunwick savard and hall/seguin and rask...plus colborne marchand caron around the bend...not that savard is an up and comer but neither is vinny. Much closer to contention than TB imo.


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we play them 8 times a year. also they are our divisional rival if that doesnt cut it either we have a long history with them from original 6 days i think a true hockey fan will care and see what there team will be against when playing them 6-8 times a year

We play them 6 times a year, not 8. Do you like any of Crosby, Ovechkin, Stamkos? We play them as well. There's tons of players out there I like and hope they do well. It has no bearing on my feelings towards the Leafs and the players that don the jersey.
If you want to harp on it for the next 20 years, go right ahead. I'll have long since moved on to something more important.

Nice dig about the true hockey fan though. Typical HF arguement.

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Agreed. Too many high draft pics haven't worked out.
Boston's picking 2nd, the guy may end up to be like a Crosby.

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Boston's picking 2nd, the guy may end up to be like a Crosby.
I don't think Hall and Seguin are generational talents.

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04-10-2010, 12:03 PM
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It is kind of funny that so many people think that it is the Leafs that have to worry when it is the Bruins that have to hope they get a player even as good as Kessel.
There is a very real possibility they will get two players better than Kessel.

Still, it didn't seem like a bad trade when it was made, it was kind of like folding a 2/7 and seeing 2 2 7 on the flop. It sucks but it probably was the right move at the time.

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Wait...what?....I think Boston's ok with krechi bergeron lucic stewart hunwick savard and hall/seguin and rask...plus colborne marchand caron around the bend...not that savard is an up and comer but neither is vinny. Much closer to contention than TB imo.
Where would Downie fit in here? Statistically he isn't far behind Krejci.

Stamkos just turned 20, has 91 points.

Stamkos - Seguin/Hall combination is better than anything I can see in Boston.

We are talking a potential Crosby-Malkin or Backstrom-Ovechkin combination there.

At age 20 Ovechkin scored 52 goals, Stamkos has 48. It looks like Stamkos might be elite.

Sure regular season the Leafs see Boston more often, but who cares about the regular season. In the playoffs there are no divisions, only conferences.

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I don't think Hall and Seguin are generational talents.
I don't think Backstrom is elite, but he certainly has very good stats.

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There is a very real possibility they will get two players better than Kessel.

Still, it didn't seem like a bad trade when it was made, it was kind of like folding a 2/7 and seeing 2 2 7 on the flop. It sucks but it probably was the right move at the time.
If the Leafs pick is in the lottery next year, Burke has failed and Wilson should already have been fired.

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04-10-2010, 12:38 PM
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Wait...what?....I think Boston's ok with krechi bergeron lucic stewart hunwick savard and hall/seguin and rask...plus colborne marchand caron around the bend...not that savard is an up and comer but neither is vinny. Much closer to contention than TB imo.
That's pathetic. Homer much?

At least I have to assume you are from Boston, something that stupid can't come from anywhere else.

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04-10-2010, 01:08 PM
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I don't think Backstrom is elite, but he certainly has very good stats.
No doubt they can be great players. I'm just saying not on a Crosby/Ovechkin level.

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That's pathetic. Homer much?

At least I have to assume you are from Boston, something that stupid can't come from anywhere else.
I really don't know exactly what either of you are trying to say but I agree that Boston is closer to contention than Tampa Bay, which may have talent - but doesn't have the structure and starting goaltending that Boston has...

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O well, what's done is done. Looking forward to a Leaf core of Kadri, Kessel, Phaneuf, Schenn, Bozak, Kulemin, etc. Although, a core of Kadri, Phaneuf, Schenn, Bozak, Kulemin, Seguin/Hall, 2011 first rounder, etc, would probably be a "brighter" one.

But it's not set it stone that Seguin/Hall (and the rest of that Leaf package to Boston), will be a better/more impactful altogether than Kessel.

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04-10-2010, 03:57 PM
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I really don't know exactly what either of you are trying to say but I agree that Boston is closer to contention than Tampa Bay, which may have talent - but doesn't have the structure and starting goaltending that Boston has...
I said the same thing ...much closer.... Stamkos is awsome and they would be great together...maybe...I'f anyone compares Downy to Krejci they aren't watching them at all. The Bruins have a great system that is lacking some scoring this year...Tampa is like an unmade bed...with silk sheets....O ans MS...your a real bright one eh?

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