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View Poll Results: Will the Kings make the playoffs with Murray?
Yes - The Kings will finish 4th, 5th or 6th 40 53.33%
Yes - The Kings will finish 7th or 8th 25 33.33%
No - The Kings will finish out of the playoffs 10 13.33%
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03-19-2010, 06:10 PM
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New lines per Hammond:

Richardson-Kopitar-Simmonds
Modin-Handzus-Brown
Frolov-Halpern-Williams
Smyth-Stoll-Parse
Ivanans-Clune



I guess this is the only way Murray knows how to coach.

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03-19-2010, 06:10 PM
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That's an easy one.

Marray hasn't any clue of modern hockey.
Like i always say, the Kings goals just happen they are not scored.
That is a big reason for not scoring when it's neccessary.
I could write a list of 10 sites but the guys are already bored of this.

Now the replacement and why:
I would replace the whole coaching staff with the Manchester staff.
If you watch a single game, you know why.
Even on AHL level, the Monarchs are mediocre at best.
Just mention players like Elkins or Holloway are the top scorer.
All of the leaders are out. The bright spot is just the goalie position.

If you watch Kings games and Monarchs games and you try to compare,
the 1st thing what is like an eyecatcher is how aggressive the game is.
The players are everywhere and forecheck agressive without opening the defense.
Even the players are more agressive, they use the pass as what it is a tool.
when you run into trouble and don't see a way out that is the right time to pass.
The players are able to beat anyone on 1 on 1, the Kings players don't even try a 1 on 1 situation... ok Brown is teh exception.
One big thing is the transition from defense to offense.
The Kings need hours and hours to leave the own zone, if they finaly arrive in the offense zone the opponents are in a defense postition.. when that happens the Kings try the easiest of the easiest to break through. Nothing special, nothing surprising. The wrap around is a dirty move you try 1 time per game to undress the goalie. In Kings game plans the wrap around is a game tool they always try when behind the goal. If you see the Monarch positioning when behind the opponents goal
you notice the movement, everyone has wheels and the guys behind the goal has at least 2 options.........
So... i have to stop now before the guys fell asleep .
I could write a lot more stuff. Do yourself a favor and watch a couple of Monarchs games.
You will agree with me, we need this style in our organisation.
I for one, would prefer if your smashed the interior of your girlfriend again.

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03-19-2010, 06:57 PM
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New lines per Hammond:

Richardson-Kopitar-Simmonds
Modin-Handzus-Brown
Frolov-Halpern-Williams
Smyth-Stoll-Parse
Ivanans-Clune



I guess this is the only way Murray knows how to coach.
Crap. He's resorted to playing Yahtzee with the lines again.

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03-19-2010, 08:12 PM
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If he hadn't changed the lines you would be complaining about that too.

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03-19-2010, 08:18 PM
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That's an easy one.

Marray hasn't any clue of modern hockey.
Like i always say, the Kings goals just happen they are not scored.
That is a big reason for not scoring when it's neccessary.
I could write a list of 10 sites but the guys are already bored of this.

Now the replacement and why:
I would replace the whole coaching staff with the Manchester staff.
If you watch a single game, you know why.
Even on AHL level, the Monarchs are mediocre at best.
Just mention players like Elkins or Holloway are the top scorer.
All of the leaders are out. The bright spot is just the goalie position.

If you watch Kings games and Monarchs games and you try to compare,
the 1st thing what is like an eyecatcher is how aggressive the game is.
The players are everywhere and forecheck agressive without opening the defense.
Even the players are more agressive, they use the pass as what it is a tool.
when you run into trouble and don't see a way out that is the right time to pass.
The players are able to beat anyone on 1 on 1, the Kings players don't even try a 1 on 1 situation... ok Brown is teh exception.
One big thing is the transition from defense to offense.
The Kings need hours and hours to leave the own zone, if they finaly arrive in the offense zone the opponents are in a defense postition.. when that happens the Kings try the easiest of the easiest to break through. Nothing special, nothing surprising. The wrap around is a dirty move you try 1 time per game to undress the goalie. In Kings game plans the wrap around is a game tool they always try when behind the goal. If you see the Monarch positioning when behind the opponents goal
you notice the movement, everyone has wheels and the guys behind the goal has at least 2 options.........
So... i have to stop now before the guys fell asleep .
I could write a lot more stuff. Do yourself a favor and watch a couple of Monarchs games.
You will agree with me, we need this style in our organisation.
I am far from an expert on the Manchester Monarchs this season, but don't they give up a ton of shots on goal?

The players are everywhere? Well, I hate to burst your bubble, but an undisciplined forecheck will be exploited by any average NHL team.

Brown trying his 1-on-1 move and not getting the puck deep is what led to the first Chicago goal in the last game.

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03-19-2010, 08:22 PM
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New lines per Hammond:

Richardson-Kopitar-Simmonds
Modin-Handzus-Brown
Frolov-Halpern-Williams
Smyth-Stoll-Parse
Ivanans-Clune



I guess this is the only way Murray knows how to coach.
Don't care who is playing with who. Hope it just works out.

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03-19-2010, 10:17 PM
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What happened to fro-zeus-simmonds
it seemed like that worked well....

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I agree with this. Even though the Kings are a young team, they are still men. Tearing up the lockerroom doesn't inspire guys this age, it makes you look like a fool. You are much more likely to get a reaction that is more like, "Well he has f'ing lost it."

The NHL regular season is a grind. What is required is a coach that keeps an even keel when times are good and bad, because the truth is always something in between.

As long as Murray is holding the players and himself accountable, then the players are going to be fine because they know where they stand.
To clarify: there is a time and a place for everything. TM doesn't have to pull a Mike Keenan night in and night out, but the old Pat Riley smack the drinks off the tray in the midst of a gawd awful performance (like last night) might just be what the team nees to WAKE THE * * * * UP.

TM's moribund demeanor couldn't ignite a fuming pool of gasoline. Of course adults tune out a consistent screamer, but if TM did it just once, he might succeed in shocking them into alertness. This team is playing as if they are riding out a season, as if they are not in the playoff picture. If it keeps up a few more games they may not be. Yes I know the percentages and the likelihood of post-season play, but watching this melt down coming off the high of their pre-olympic play and then the Olympics is like watching a slow motion train derailment (while you are on the train.)

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03-20-2010, 01:15 AM
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So, promote the AHL coaching staff and our scoring woes are fixed. sounds like a plan!
just askyour self why do we have scoring problems.......
If the guys is the right guy i don't care about AHL coaching staff or not.
Just because they coach an AHL team doesn't mean they are bad.
IMO it's the an advantage that these guys are coaching young guns.

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03-20-2010, 08:50 AM
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Where is the poll option for "I believe I can fly?" ?

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03-20-2010, 10:49 AM
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The lines are very simple, and Murray keeps ****ing them up.

Smyth-Kopitar-Simmonds
Frolov-Handzus-Brown
Modin-Richardson-Williams
Clune-Stoll-Halpern

But sure, let's throw a guy who was healthy scratched two nights ago in as our third line center. That works.

This team is sinking fast because Murray has officially hit the panic button and its reflecting on this team.

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03-20-2010, 11:43 AM
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The problem isn't Murray, he is the same coach that had them winning consistently before the Olympic break. Every team goes through slumps, I think the players had too much time to think about their situation as a team during the break and were not mentally prepared/focused to play after the break. The players simply are not executing on offense, the Chicago game was a disaster. The play of Quick has not been good, but he has to play through it to get his game and confidence back.

As a whole, the team has to play its way through this and get back on the right track.

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The problem isn't Murray, he is the same coach that had them winning consistently before the Olympic break. Every team goes through slumps, I think the players had too much time to think about their situation as a team during the break and were not mentally prepared/focused to play after the break. The players simply are not executing on offense, the Chicago game was a disaster. The play of Quick has not been good, but he has to play through it to get his game and confidence back.

As a whole, the team has to play its way through this and get back on the right track.
But it's much easier to simply blame the coach when the team starts to get complacent, if we win tonight 4-0 everyone will be calling TM a tactical genius for his line changes. The coach can't put in the puck in the net for us.

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I can't believe people are complaining about changing lines. The offense is non-existent and people want to leave lines alone? Every coach in the league changes lines constantly.

When Greene and O'Donnell are the players with the most shots on goal per game, that's a big problem. Line combinations are irrelevant.

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I am far from an expert on the Manchester Monarchs this season, but don't they give up a ton of shots on goal?

The players are everywhere? Well, I hate to burst your bubble, but an undisciplined forecheck will be exploited by any average NHL team.
Brown trying his 1-on-1 move and not getting the puck deep is what led to the first Chicago goal in the last game.
I don't know where i wrote something about undisciplined forecheck.
I'm talking about forecheck as a game tool
Just for an example.
Nashvilles forecheck is close to perfect.
Give the Kopitars, Doughtys, Frolovs,Browns to Nashville and you have a new Detroit.
The only reson for not beeing top 3 is the missing high end talend.

Hockey is a coachable sport and like chess depending on the best gameplan.
You could beat the high talented teams with a mediocre team just because of better
coaching.
I think the Kings-Preds, Kings-Detroit games proof that.

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I can't believe people are complaining about changing lines. The offense is non-existent and people want to leave lines alone? Every coach in the league changes lines constantly.

When Greene and O'Donnell are the players with the most shots on goal per game, that's a big problem. Line combinations are irrelevant.
The problem isn't changing lines now, its that he changed the lines many games ago after they were working.

Why was Frolov- Handzus- Parse ever broken up?

Or Richardson- Kopitar- Simmonds?

These lines were clicking and Murray suddenly broke them up for no apparent reason.

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The problem isn't changing lines now, its that he changed the lines many games ago after they were working.

Why was Frolov- Handzus- Parse ever broken up?

Or Richardson- Kopitar- Simmonds?

These lines were clicking and Murray suddenly broke them up for no apparent reason.
I know why he did it and it's not a great explanation but one that I think is accurate. Those were intended as temporary lines to spark a fire under the team. Once that fire was sparked, he switched hoping the light would stay lit. It's a poor reason to change them. If you are a bottom line, win, kind of coach, then the lines stay put. If how you win and the analysis is important and you are thinking so far ahead as to whether those lines would work in the playoffs, etc. then you do what Murray did. There is an internal contradiction though if it is the latter. If it is, then he shouldn't switch them at all because if it's not part of the long term plans, why mess with the chemistry or better written why not let the spark come from chemistry verses a sudden change?

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Maybe Lombardi was right in being wary of breaking up the chemistry in the locker room, even if it was for a couple bottom six veterans.

It makes me sick to see the ****ing Phoenix Coyotes tearing up the league with a bunch of scrubs, basically. I mean, they're not a bunch of scrubs - they have some skill guys. But they don't have near the top end, gamebreaking talent that we do.

So when you think about it, what other explanation than coaching can be attributed to this? When a "middle six" team like the Coyotes is outplaying and outclassing you, despite the superiority you hold in talent, there's one answer: coaching.

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Maybe Lombardi was right in being wary of breaking up the chemistry in the locker room, even if it was for a couple bottom six veterans.

It makes me sick to see the ****ing Phoenix Coyotes tearing up the league with a bunch of scrubs, basically. I mean, they're not a bunch of scrubs - they have some skill guys. But they don't have near the top end, gamebreaking talent that we do.

So when you think about it, what other explanation than coaching can be attributed to this? When a "middle six" team like the Coyotes is outplaying and outclassing you, despite the superiority you hold in talent, there's one answer: coaching.
Murray cannot:
1. Keep Brown from turning over the puck
2. Prevent Jack Johnson from making errant passes
3. Force Sean O'Donnell to stay with his man
4. Make Kopitar, Williams, Simmonds, and Frolov put their shots on net
5. Give Randy Jones hockey sense
6. Stop the puck on a poor angle shot when Quick fails to
7. Make Chicago sleep walk through the game so our players have a chance of winning despite their ****ing incompetence on the ice.

Blaming the coach, one that has brought the team to success, is the path of least resistance.

Phoenix is winning because they are well coached but also because the players are playing lights out. The former without the latter renders the former irrelevant.

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I can't believe people are complaining about changing lines. The offense is non-existent and people want to leave lines alone? Every coach in the league changes lines constantly.

When Greene and O'Donnell are the players with the most shots on goal per game, that's a big problem. Line combinations are irrelevant.
The changing of the lines isnt the problem, its what they have been changed to that is. I dont understand why we have compeltely new lines with 0 chemistry tonight, instead of going back to lines that worked in the past and got broken up for no reason

Fro-Zeus being the main 1 that should be back together

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So it appears the lines in practice are the lines skating tonight.

Clune is a scratch.

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Murray cannot:
1. Keep Brown from turning over the puck
2. Prevent Jack Johnson from making errant passes
3. Force Sean O'Donnell to stay with his man
4. Make Kopitar, Williams, Simmonds, and Frolov put their shots on net
5. Give Randy Jones hockey sense
6. Stop the puck on a poor angle shot when Quick fails to
7. Make Chicago sleep walk through the game so our players have a chance of winning despite their ****ing incompetence on the ice.

Blaming the coach, one that has brought the team to success, is the path of least resistance.

Phoenix is winning because they are well coached but also because the players are playing lights out. The former without the latter renders the former irrelevant.
This is all true, and I agree. But Murray has the power to put together synergistic lines; coach and teach bad habits out of players like Brown and Johnson; not dress mongoloids like Jones; give Quick a break; lower OD's icetime.

You're right in that each and every player is responsible for their mistakes on the ice. Murray can't control that. But his decisions as head coach directly correlate to situations in which Brown feels like he needs to Ovechkin the puck over the blueline, OD is on the ice against players like Toews and Kane, and Quick makes sloppy plays because he's played more than any goaltender in the entire National Hockey League.

I believe everyone involved with this team needs to take a look in the mirror, but Murray's position-of-power erratic line combos, poor mid-game match up coaching, and roster decisions in general have greatly affected this team for the negative.

I'm starting to think Murray has looked better than he actually has been because Crawford was such a disaster.

And who knows what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe these kids are starting to tune old man Murray out? Who knows? Maybe there's been some kind of rift in the locker room since the Olympics? Regardless, Murray's poor decision as coach are just as evident as the individual poor play of the players themselves.

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This is all true, and I agree. But Murray has the power to put together synergistic lines; coach and teach bad habits out of players like Brown and Johnson; not dress mongoloids like Jones; give Quick a break; lower OD's icetime.

You're right in that each and every player is responsible for their mistakes on the ice. Murray can't control that. But his decisions as head coach directly correlate to situations in which Brown feels like he needs to Ovechkin the puck over the blueline, OD is on the ice against players like Toews and Kane, and Quick makes sloppy plays because he's played more than any goaltender in the entire National Hockey League.

I believe everyone involved with this team needs to take a look in the mirror, but Murray's position-of-power erratic line combos, poor mid-game match up coaching, and roster decisions in general have greatly affected this team for the negative.

I'm starting to think Murray has looked better than he actually has been because Crawford was such a disaster.

And who knows what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe these kids are starting to tune old man Murray out? Who knows? Maybe there's been some kind of rift in the locker room since the Olympics? Regardless, Murray's poor decision as coach are just as evident as the individual poor play of the players themselves.
THAT right there sums it up. Next year, he should get the boot.

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