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03-19-2010, 07:47 AM
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How about this for an idea?

OK, before it gets shot down, hear me out.

Detroit have no real enforcers right? And this can't be ignored when you look at the injuries we've sustained this year. Would we have had those injuries if we had a feared enforcer on the roster? Maybe not.

May is playing in Grand Rapids, gets minimal ice-time on the 4th line when he is on the Wings, and is also getting a bit old (will be 39 this year) to be fighting the likes of Boll (aged 23), Barch (28), Peters (29) or Carkner (29).

Therefore, I think we need to look at big enforcers, and what their team needs, that we can supply.

Obviously, I think first choice would be Colton Orr. Now, the Leafs are, despite collecting some on deadline day, looking for draft picks and scoring forwards. We have draft picks, and we have Abdelkader.

What are everyone's thoughts on:


Abdelkader, mid-round 2011 pick, (possibly also Janik or Kindl)

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Colton Orr

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03-19-2010, 08:34 AM
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OK, before it gets shot down, hear me out.

Detroit have no real enforcers right? And this can't be ignored when...
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Set myself up for that one really didn't I?!

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BIG BANG!!

just god-awful.

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OK, before it gets shot down, hear me out.

Detroit have no real enforcers right? And this can't be ignored when you look at the injuries we've sustained this year. Would we have had those injuries if we had a feared enforcer on the roster? Maybe not.

May is playing in Grand Rapids, gets minimal ice-time on the 4th line when he is on the Wings, and is also getting a bit old (will be 39 this year) to be fighting the likes of Boll (aged 23), Barch (28), Peters (29) or Carkner (29).

Therefore, I think we need to look at big enforcers, and what their team needs, that we can supply.

Obviously, I think first choice would be Colton Orr. Now, the Leafs are, despite collecting some on deadline day, looking for draft picks and scoring forwards. We have draft picks, and we have Abdelkader.

What are everyone's thoughts on:


Abdelkader, mid-round 2011 pick, (possibly also Janik or Kindl)

FOR

Colton Orr
ROFL... holy hell what an over payment... you could probably get Orr for a 4th rounder or simply just draft a mean machine from the junior leagues and/or call up OKT. We could also just sign one of the following

Eric Boulton
Josh Gratton
Shawn Thornton
Jamal Mayers
Brian McGrattan
Adam Burish
David Koci
Krys Barch
Raitis Ivanans
Derek Boogard
Wade Belak
Jody Shelley
Arron Asham

So I dont see why detroit would want to overpay to get an enforcer when they can just sign one of the many enforcers currently on UFA contracts.

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03-19-2010, 08:53 AM
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Seeing this crazy trade proposal got me to look at the Leafs roster for a second, and I saw something I've never seen before.

They don't have a single player I'd want on the Wings, given the contract tied to the guy.

Not a single one. That's pretty amazing.

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Wow, a 2nd AND Abdelkader for Orr? Holy overpayment Batman.

I'd give a 6th rounder for Orr, but the Wings would probably missing out on a franchise player

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I'm against dressing an actual enforcer...it's a waste of a roster spot. What I wish this team had was a power forward that can score as well as drop the gloves. There aren't any Brendan Shanahan-type players that will fall into their lap but you almost look at this team it looks like this is a very good team that is missing one piece from being THE team again.

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I'm against dressing an actual enforcer...it's a waste of a roster spot. What I wish this team had was a power forward that can score as well as drop the gloves. There aren't any Brendan Shanahan-type players that will fall into their lap but you almost look at this team it looks like this is a very good team that is missing one piece from being THE team again.
It would just be a waste if he was dressed for every game. Having a well known enforcer in the line up could provide energy to the team specially during injury pruned seasons like this one. Just look at Detroit during the '98 season without Stevie, Feds and Shanny. Ofcourse we had a much better team back then but I still give credit to the bottom 6.

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Seeing this crazy trade proposal got me to look at the Leafs roster for a second, and I saw something I've never seen before.

They don't have a single player I'd want on the Wings, given the contract tied to the guy.

Not a single one. That's pretty amazing.
I'd take Kaberle, but that's about it.

OP, this is an god awful idea. I wouldn't want Orr on the Wings peroid but I wouldn't cry if they signed him for league minimum as a free agent. I wouldn't give them ****all for him much less a solid player like Abdelkader and a 2nd round pick.

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The late 90's teams was amazing in part because our enforcer (McCarty) can deke a goalie out of his pads. So really, he was more like power forward-lite.

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OK, I admit maybe the bargaining chips were a little in Toronto's favour on reflection.

However, nobody is against the idea of needing a well-known enforcer, or a forward that's willing to rumble.

I take it we all agree the Wings are in need of some meatheadedness. I agree that having a player who's only role is to beat the living snot out of other players can be a wasted jersey, but there's so few forwards out there who are willing to fight, as well as put up 20-ish goals, that I don't think we can be too picky.

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The Wings would need an enforcer that could at least work the PK or something when he wasn't fighting. Haven't found one since Mac left the first time. Dressing a guy who can't play but can fight is not going to happen.

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So basically we are looking to sign

Josh Gratton
Shawn Thornton
Jamal Mayers
Adam Burish
Krys Barch
Arron Asham

or trade for a guy like Neil, Ruutu, Lucic, Simmonds etc etc.

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So basically we are looking to sign

Josh Gratton
Shawn Thornton
Jamal Mayers
Adam Burish
Krys Barch
Arron Asham

or trade for a guy like Neil, Ruutu, Lucic, Simmonds etc etc.
This ^^

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Seeing this crazy trade proposal got me to look at the Leafs roster for a second, and I saw something I've never seen before.

They don't have a single player I'd want on the Wings, given the contract tied to the guy.

Not a single one. That's pretty amazing.
Carl Gunnarsson 0.626 +11 on a team that collectively is -16

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Carl Gunnarsson 0.626 +11 on a team that collectively is -16
örebro baby!!!

i'd take him over any bottom line D we have. such a smart defensive defender who keeps the game simple.

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örebro baby!!!

i'd take him over any bottom line D we have. such a smart defensive defender who keeps the game simple.

Including..... you know........????

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Including..... you know........????
yeah, including

i follow calle's steps since he was 15/16 and he plays the defensive game i like. the puck comes into his zone and he gets the puck out. no extra pass, no wannabe playmaking, just the simple game. that's how i want a 3rd liner to be. and he has some decent offensive tools too, he can move the puck on PP for example. better than williams.

so yeah, calle over any of our bottom liners. and he's signed cheap for next season too.

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Abdelkader, mid-round 2011 pick, (possibly also Janik or Kindl)

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Colton Orr
**** NO!!

BOOM! lol, Orr is useless and our PK is not that good that we would have to go to it every shift Orr actually plays. Useless. I think Abdelkader can grow to be a good fighter, he definitely looks like he has the confidence and temper. Ericsson would be awesome with that build, but his confidence is just shot.

btw, while we are on the topic, I think Lucic is overrated. Gets injured too often and don't think he would fit that well in this team IMO.

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It would just be a waste if he was dressed for every game. Having a well known enforcer in the line up could provide energy to the team specially during injury pruned seasons like this one. Just look at Detroit during the '98 season without Stevie, Feds and Shanny. Ofcourse we had a much better team back then but I still give credit to the bottom 6.

I think a guy in the mold of Scott Hartnell to play on the second line would be gold for this team. I think the Capitals, Flyers, Canucks and Blackhawks have it right with how they've got a great mix of skill and grit. The Wings could use one more scorer that can rub other teams the wrong way. They've got too many "nice" players. They could use a "*******".

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The Wings can get the best wrestler, Laraque, in the leauge for free.

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Zenon Konopka, he could take take the Maltby or maybe Draper spot, winning face offs, energy line, and he drops the gloves. Send Meech or Lebda or the like to Tampa Bay.

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OK, before it gets shot down, hear me out.

Detroit have no real enforcers right? And this can't be ignored when you look at the injuries we've sustained this year. Would we have had those injuries if we had a feared enforcer on the roster? Maybe not.

May is playing in Grand Rapids, gets minimal ice-time on the 4th line when he is on the Wings, and is also getting a bit old (will be 39 this year) to be fighting the likes of Boll (aged 23), Barch (28), Peters (29) or Carkner (29).

Therefore, I think we need to look at big enforcers, and what their team needs, that we can supply.

Obviously, I think first choice would be Colton Orr. Now, the Leafs are, despite collecting some on deadline day, looking for draft picks and scoring forwards. We have draft picks, and we have Abdelkader.

What are everyone's thoughts on:


Abdelkader, mid-round 2011 pick, (possibly also Janik or Kindl)

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Colton Orr

I respectfully disagree completely

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LUCIC!!!! or Simmonds, Clarkston, or Downie. Some people seem to think Lucic is overated so I say we go for Clarkston, he will probably cost the least amount to get.

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