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03-27-2010, 01:58 AM
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Luukko: Holmgren's job safe, even if no playoffs

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An underachieving season has not put Paul Holmgren's job in jeopardy.

Holmgren will remain the Flyers' general manager even if they continue to stumble and do not make the playoffs, Peter Luukko said yesterday.

Luukko is president of Comcast-Spectacor, the Flyers' parent company.

"He is safe," Luukko said. "Paul's doing a great job."

There has been speculation that if the Flyers, who have lost six of their last seven games and are seventh in the Eastern Conference, do not win a playoff berth, Holmgren will be dismissed.

That won't happen, said Luukko, whose team has been stalled by injuries to goalies Ray Emery and Michael Leighton and to its leading scorer, Jeff Carter.

"When we're playing consistently, we're very good and have as good a shot as anybody," Luukko said, referring to the Flyers' playoff chances.

Luukko said it was "dangerous" to overreact when things weren't going well.
Unbe****inglievable..He's doing a "great job"? And he mentions consistency? The only thing consistent about this team has been it's inconsistency.

It's a ****ing embarrassment to have the team president talking like this.

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I think it would be a bit quick to fire the guy if no playoffs, that being said, STOP ****ING AROUND and make this team a contender...

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Some of you guys are un-believable. I get pissed off that im a flyers fan sometimes. Stop looking at the "draft picks that are going to turn into amazing players" and look at the fact we have chris Pronger keeping our play-off dreams alive. See that we have had three freak injuries to goaltenders, and another injury to a star forward

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I had a good night, so I just knew today was going to be awesome.

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Doesn't matter to me whether he stays or goes.

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Grill them at the town hall. I don't care if it leads to nothing. They need to know that their influence on this team is not appreciated.

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Why should the ****ing players be held accountable when the GM gets a free pass?

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Unbe****inglievable..He's doing a "great job"? And he mentions consistency? The only thing consistent about this team has been it's inconsistency.

It's a ****ing embarrassment to have the team president talking like this.
i know it is team president speak, but how can you say great and shooter in the same breath. Until i hear it form snider it doesn mean as much. Your team that is capped out, no real blue chip prospects, no picks and you say he is doing great.

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Some of you guys are un-believable. I get pissed off that im a flyers fan sometimes. Stop looking at the "draft picks that are going to turn into amazing players" and look at the fact we have chris Pronger keeping our play-off dreams alive. See that we have had three freak injuries to goaltenders, and another injury to a star forward
you crack me up. So they have pronger. Yet look where they are, they are no better than last year. Big deal pornger is keeping thos eplayoff dreams alive. big deal, the playoffs, what a joke. The good ole imjury excuse, happens every year with flyers fans. With or without pronger this team is comical.

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How can a GM who let the deadline pass without picking up a badly-needed goalie, and who has screwed up the salary cap so there is zero wiggle room be doing a great job? I'd hate to see one who really effed up, in that case.

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I'm somewhat torn on Holmgren. On the one hand- Betts, Lappy, Pronger, some wise college signings (at least in my opinion), good drafter, picking up Leighton for 250k cap hit

On the other hand- Randy Jones on 3 or 4 levels, Umberger, Eminger, the failure to get a goalie when needed, signing Boucher when so many options were out there, not firing Steven in the off season

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I wipe my behind with what Luukko says. It means nothing, and his presence means nothing.

That said, not really shocked if Holmgren stays.

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I'm somewhat torn on Holmgren. On the one hand- Betts, Lappy, Pronger, some wise college signings (at least in my opinion)

On the other hand- Randy Jones


He definitely hasn't been all bad and has made some great moves, but his body of work as a whole seems all over the place. The Flyers are fighting for a playoff spot after supposedly acquiring their missing pieces to a Cup....with 3 waiver wire pick ups.
......sorry make that 2.

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I'm somewhat torn on Holmgren. On the one hand- Betts, Lappy, Pronger, some wise college signings (at least in my opinion), good drafter, picking up Leighton for 250k cap hit

On the other hand- Randy Jones on 3 or 4 levels, Umberger, Eminger, the failure to get a goalie when needed, signing Boucher when so many options were out there, not firing Steven in the off season
I have to agree, Holmgren always seems to do a good job of evaluating talent. Even way back, the Forsberg and Zhitnik trade were fantastic for us. He always seems to pick up good free agent bottom line players with heart: Smith, Lappy, Betts, etc. He also seems to draft pretty well, especially considering he only leaves himself back end of the draft picks. Lately he has made some really intriguing college signings on good prospects, and let us not forget the two absolute fleecings he pulled off this year (Legein for that crappy dman and Leino for that crappy dman).

That being said, he is atrocious with the cap, loyal to a fault (Stevens and Jones) and doesn't value draft picks at all like he should.

If only there were a job where he could just look around at the various amateur and professional leagues and evaluate the talent in said leagues, where he wouldn't be able to **** our cap...

Make him a head scout or assistant GM so that he can do what he is good at and let someone else do what he sucks dick at please.

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He could be worse...

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He could be worse...


But could he be better?

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BTW, if you guys want to believe every thing the team says (I don't necessarily), then Holmgren was behind the massacre that was the 2006-07 season. If Clarke was telling the truth. If that's true, Holmgren had his chance to fix the problem, he didn't get it done in an acceptable time period, and if Luukko is adament (which I don't really care that he is, he is a stool pigeon and what he says holds as much water as what my cat says), then it's clear that this organization is satisfied with stagnation and mediocrity.

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But could he be better?
Exactly. This organization expects to be the best, and supposedly holds itself to that standard.

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Good. I don't understand why everyone harshes on Homer so bad. The only real mistake that I have seen him make is the Randy Jones blunder. Briere's contract looks bad now, but at the time it wasn't that outrageous. Hartnell is underachieving, that is not Homer's fault. Emery was playing well until injured, not Homer's fault. The Pronger trade was a great trade (you'd really rather have a guy that is playing in the WHL, and a couple draft picks than a hall of fame defender?). The cap situation is tight, and I know there are contending teams that have space, but with this team the only way that we could have gotten a real goalie was to overpay and risk losing a key piece of the team. Homer isn't perfect, but few are. You think anyone else would have done something different? The Flyers thought they were one piece away from the Cup and Homer went out and got a HOF guy to be that piece. If the Flyers stood pat with Sbisa and Lupul and kept those picks do you really think this team would be in a better position? That would have left us with roughly the same amount of cap space and a pretty ugly defense.

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Lukko's son is in the draft this year...he probably has an agreement worked out with Homer, so I'm sure we'll see him **** canned after the draft

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BTW, if you guys want to believe every thing the team says (I don't necessarily), then Holmgren was behind the massacre that was the 2006-07 season. If Clarke was telling the truth. If that's true, Holmgren had his chance to fix the problem, he didn't get it done in an acceptable time period, and if Luukko is adament (which I don't really care that he is, he is a stool pigeon and what he says holds as much water as what my cat says), then it's clear that this organization is satisfied with stagnation and mediocrity.



Exactly. This organization expects to be the best, and supposedly holds itself to that standard.
what did clarke say as i do not recall at tis moment. They have been a standard of mediocrity for a long long time now. $ is whats important now. They hav eno pulse on how the fans really feel imo. the on ice product sucks

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Good. I don't understand why everyone harshes on Homer so bad. The only real mistake that I have seen him make is the Randy Jones blunder. Briere's contract looks bad now, but at the time it wasn't that outrageous. Hartnell is underachieving, that is not Homer's fault. Emery was playing well until injured, not Homer's fault. The Pronger trade was a great trade (you'd really rather have a guy that is playing in the WHL, and a couple draft picks than a hall of fame defender?). The cap situation is tight, and I know there are contending teams that have space, but with this team the only way that we could have gotten a real goalie was to overpay and risk losing a key piece of the team. Homer isn't perfect, but few are. You think anyone else would have done something different? The Flyers thought they were one piece away from the Cup and Homer went out and got a HOF guy to be that piece. If the Flyers stood pat with Sbisa and Lupul and kept those picks do you really think this team would be in a better position? That would have left us with roughly the same amount of cap space and a pretty ugly defense.
And they thought wrong. It's a pretty big miscalculation to go from contender to out of the playoffs. The person who is in charge at least needs to answer with it. I promise you all no matter what Snider says (I'm sure it will be something similar and I'm fairly confident that Holmgren won't get fired even if they lose out), but they'll be up against it. Snider doesn't like missing the playoffs, he fired his son because he kept doing it, and Clarke left when it was evident it was going to happen, and Clarke was fired the first time because the team was in decline.

This is the new-NHL. The risk involved in "**** it we're going for it this year" doesn't work anymore with the salary cap. You don't see other contending teams constantly peddle away draft picks because they're "trying to win."

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what did clarke say as i do not recall at tis moment. They have been a standard of mediocrity for a long long time now. $ is whats important now. They hav eno pulse on how the fans really feel imo. the on ice product sucks
Something about Clarke claiming he wasn't that involved in that off-season and Holmgren did most of the work.

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Lukko's son is in the draft this year...he probably has an agreement worked out with Homer, so I'm sure we'll see him **** canned after the draft
How do you draft players without any draft picks?

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I had a good night, so I just knew today was going to be awesome.

Cheers, all you haters!

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Huh? You've harped on the dime a dozen goalie stat repeatedly despite Boucher absolutely boning us since he became the starter.

This team was supposed to be a Cup contender and is not largely due to the failures of 1 man.

It's a borderline playoff team and you think you've somehow been proven correct because a Flyers executive (the team that's been failing for 35 years straight) has given a statement of support to the GM?

What kind of standards of success do you usually have?

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There are no excuses. Holmgren took all the excuses off the table when he traded for Pronger. I don't want to hear about injuries and such. Holmgren didn't want to do what it really took to get the job done, which was counterproductive to the Pronger trade. He did a disservice the organization by giving them false expectations.

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