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03-28-2010, 10:06 AM
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I would definately explore the option of getting Vinny. But for starters, tampa would need to take on a crap contract or two...and I would not give anything notable up in exchange...perhaps Tampa would have to give us something in terms of prospect or draft pick to make it worth our risk. It's very risky though not saying I'd jump at the chance to get him, Tampa really has to make it worth our while.

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03-28-2010, 10:12 AM
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I would do it, but a bad/expensive contract would have to be going the other way.

And everyone should keep in mind... while the contract is bad, look at what NYR got for Gomez... and I'd take Vinny over Gomez in a trade in a heartbeat.

I don't think TB would take Finger (who would - they will probably bury him next year anyways), but I'd consider doing...

Beauch/Grabo/prospect

for

Vinny

Keep doing the quantity for quality trades BB!
only so many of those u can do before u run out of cap

Phaneuf - over 6mil
Kessel - over 5
Giggy - overy 6

we'd quickly run out of cap if we keep on doing that

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03-28-2010, 10:12 AM
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I like Lecavalier and my guess is that he might well regain better form with a new start. But this is the wrong stage of a rebuilding cycle to take on a costly contract for a player of his age.

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03-28-2010, 10:16 AM
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NO! Vinny is to much of a risk, making that kind of money, for that kind of term for how he has played the last year and a half; the contract is just brutal, and I would hope Burke never takes it on.

But if Vinny was to pass on waivers (I think he prolly could) and then Burke made a trade with Tampa, then Tampa could call him back up, and Burke would take Vinny, and half his cap hit. ($3,863,636) That would essentially be like the Eric Reitz deal at the deadline Deal.
One question, are you aloud to do that though?

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03-28-2010, 10:18 AM
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if we could re-negotiate his contract, but we can't so no.

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03-28-2010, 10:19 AM
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i also herd a strong rumor of vinny going to the island

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03-28-2010, 10:26 AM
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7.7 mill caphit until 2020. Absolutely not.

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03-28-2010, 10:36 AM
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What makes Vinny's contract horrific, is Tampa can't even afford to spend to the cap. That contract is going to hurt the organization badly in the future.

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03-28-2010, 10:39 AM
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What makes Vinny's contract horrific, is Tampa can't even afford to spend to the cap. That contract is going to hurt the organization badly in the future.
It isn't unreasonable to think 5 years from now that contract could have a big hand in moving that team to a different city.

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03-28-2010, 10:41 AM
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A number of posters have hit it on the head, thankfully.

The player himself still can contribute, even though he's overpaid. But the bigger problem is the contract.

Exact same thing with Briere. Those are radioactive contracts.

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03-28-2010, 11:34 AM
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Bad contact and wrong kind of centre.

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03-28-2010, 12:28 PM
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with bozak and kadri, there's no room for vinny.

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03-28-2010, 12:44 PM
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03-28-2010, 12:48 PM
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He's a good player, but I really don't like the term. I'd look at Ryan Malone though.
Ryan Malone's contract isn't too, too bad. I'm hesitant on spending more on a player who's not nearly as good as our best forward, Kessel.

Plus... no more Americans!

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03-28-2010, 12:49 PM
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I think Brad Richards was their playoff hero. Ruslan Fedotenko was extremely effective for them in the Finals as well.

Lecavalier played extremely well, but I think Richards played better, which just goes to show you how great Richards was.
And still having a larger impact years later.

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Not Brad Richards? The Con Symthe winner.
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Vinny is a great player, but that contract is just too big. Moving Finger (minors) is a given and Grabo would clear some space, but we would put ourselves into a position where we have too much money committed to too few players and it would handcuff our team for the forseeable future.

Doing something like this would be OK in hte case of Richards because he only has 1 year left, not with Vinny and 10 years.
It's neither Lecavalier's play or cap hit that is the overly concerning part...it's the term coupled with the NMC that's scary!!!

A trade for Richards makes more sense...higher production with much less risk.

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03-28-2010, 12:59 PM
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The contract is a bit ridiculous. I like him for sure but he has had more average seasons than great ones. His NTC give him clout to determine where he goes and I can't see why TO would be on his list. There was a Rangers rumor a couple of months ago. They seem to have an instatiable appetite for bad contracts.

He picked a great time to start sucking. Just 10 more years to go. So that would be no to Vinny. Briere ia a bad deal with less upside and I would definitely take him first.

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03-28-2010, 01:01 PM
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The contract is a bit ridiculous. I like him for sure but he has had more average seasons than great ones. His NTC give him clout to determine where he goes and I can't see why TO would be on his list. There was a Rangers rumor a couple of months ago. They seem to have an instatiable appetite for bad contracts.

He picked a great time to start sucking. Just 10 more years to go. So that would be no to Vinny. Briere ia a bad deal with less upside and I would definitely take him first.
Its worse it is a NMC, you stuck with a 7.7 million cap hit till 2020 !!!

Even if you got 5 great years out of Vinnny which I am sure you would it is not worth that.

For the record if it were not for the NMC I would go for it in a heart-beat.

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03-28-2010, 01:02 PM
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As bad as Lecavalier has been, he's still a 70 point guy in a bad year, so if you want to catch Lightning in a bottle (pun intended) he's the type of guy you might make the deal for. He's been fighting some injuries the last 2 years, but before that he was an 80-82 game player throughout his career.

And he's not 30 years old yet.

I understand the issue with his contract, which has 7 high paying seasons left, taking him to 37 years old. Of course the risk is the NMC, but providing you don't move any big value off your team, and you shed some salary, it's not a huge risk. And who knows what the new CBA will bring in terms of getting rid of players.

Upside: 100 point player
Downside: 70 point player

Now, my biggest fear is, how is it that such a good player has been on so many teams with top 3 picks in his career?

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03-28-2010, 01:04 PM
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TB would have to seriously overpay to get any team to take that awful awful contract. If I was Burke and TB came to me about taking on Vinny's deal I would seriously tell Lawton * sure we'll take it, but we also want 2 first round picks and a decent prospect *

Why any team would give anything of substance up for Vinny is crazy. That contract is basically untradeable. unless like I said TB sweets the pot BIG TIME.

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03-28-2010, 01:09 PM
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TB would have to seriously overpay to get any team to take that awful awful contract. If I was Burke and TB came to me about taking on Vinny's deal I would seriously tell Lawton * sure we'll take it, but we also want 2 first round picks and a decent prospect *

Why any team would give anything of substance up for Vinny is crazy. That contract is basically untradeable. unless like I said TB sweets the pot BIG TIME.
We keep hearing rumors of this type of transaction, but we don't seem to see it happen. I think a 70 point guy for scraps is enough, you won't get 1st round picks thrown in.

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03-28-2010, 01:21 PM
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No way, contract is a ball and chain.
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03-28-2010, 01:24 PM
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Vinny
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I feel tampa needs to add a bit more but I'm not sure what.

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03-28-2010, 01:26 PM
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Would be nice, but Leafs are all about youth now and he is too expensive. He singlehandedly won them their Cup imo, though.
Fedotenko won the Cup. Richards had the stats and Lecavalier was great but Fedotenko was the reason we won the cup.

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It isn't unreasonable to think 5 years from now that contract could have a big hand in moving that team to a different city.
It's unreasonable if you do not know anything about the Lightning.

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03-28-2010, 01:28 PM
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We keep hearing rumors of this type of transaction, but we don't seem to see it happen. I think a 70 point guy for scraps is enough, you won't get 1st round picks thrown in.
I definitely think you could, maybe not 2 but there has to be an incentive for the other team, even if it's for scaps TB still makes out better in the end cause they don't have the 7 million cap hit for the next 10 years. It would have to be Vinny and probably a top end prospect for scraps. Or Vinny and a first for scraps. His 70 pts don't equal the HUGE cap hit he has for the next decade.

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03-28-2010, 01:29 PM
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finger
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Vinny
Malone

I feel tampa needs to add a bit more but I'm not sure what.
Tampa would have to offer a ton more, Leafs would never do that trade. Tampa is going to have to pay to get rid of Vinny's albatross contract.

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