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03-28-2010, 04:09 PM
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Beauchemin has played more minutes than any player on our team.

He's been playing 26+ minutes per game since Phaneuf and him joined forces to make a dominant shutdown pairing, and we've been one of the best defensive teams in the league since then.

You guys are crazy.

Beauchemin - Phaneuf
Kaberle - Schenn
Gunnarson - Komisarek

With Komisarek being the worst of the 6 defensemen.
I'm with ya, contingent on Kabs signing an extension. Otherwose he has to go.

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Would Beauch fetch much in a trade? Not saying TRADE HIM! Just saying what would the Leafs receive?

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03-28-2010, 04:21 PM
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BUT NOW OUR WORST DEFENSEMAN IS MAKING OVER 4M!

I mean, I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill here, OP. If Gunnar was our 6th, you wouldn't be complaining, but if its Beauch there's a problem? That means if gunnarson gets worse we are better off, which is obviously stupid. If our defense is so good that Beauch is our 6th, then we can afford to skimp a bit on forwards.

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03-28-2010, 04:29 PM
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Schenn was embarrassingly bad to start the season, he's improved since then, but he still struggles with speed and makes questionable decisions with the puck. These are the same issues Beauchemin has, but he's playing more minutes against better players. Tough to say he's been better than Beauchemin this season.
I know hes had a bad start but since then he's been good while beau just hasn't

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BUT NOW OUR WORST DEFENSEMAN IS MAKING OVER 4M!

I mean, I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill here, OP. If Gunnar was our 6th, you wouldn't be complaining, but if its Beauch there's a problem? That means if gunnarson gets worse we are better off, which is obviously stupid. If our defense is so good that Beauch is our 6th, then we can afford to skimp a bit on forwards.
after next season gunnar will be getting a lot more money

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03-28-2010, 04:40 PM
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after next season gunnar will be getting a lot more money
We can cross that bridge when we come to it. For next season we are just peachy.

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03-28-2010, 04:54 PM
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I know hes had a bad start but since then he's been good while beau just hasn't
I think you're being overly critical of Beauchemin while giving Schenn a free pass for his mistakes. I don't see an argument for Schenn being the better player now or on the season as a whole. There's a reason Beauchemin gets significantly more ice-time.

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03-28-2010, 05:59 PM
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Me, I demote Finger, trade Kaberle, trade Beauchemin. I then sign Volchenkov.

Phaneuf-Schenn
Komisarek-Volchenkov
Gunnarsson-Mikus

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03-28-2010, 06:42 PM
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I love how you pretty well present it as fact that Beauchemin is our fifth best defencemen.
Yes we will take your opinion and your word on this subject over the opinions of an entire team of coaches/front office that have been involved with professional hockey their entire careers.

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03-28-2010, 07:28 PM
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I think Beauchemin was pretty bad today....totally responsible for Crosby's first goal.
But he may play better with a bit less ice time.
Anytime Exelby plays, the other D have to play more to make up for his ineptitude.
Hopefully when Komisarek comes back in the fall he will realize he shouldnt try to prove how tough he is which only ended up in him taking so many terrible penalties!

Thinking back to the pre-season games, imo Mikus was just as effective as Gunnarsson was; this bodes well for his chance in the near future!
He got another assist today for Marlies which gives him 5 goals and 17 assists in only 62 games and the Marlies are the LOWEST SCORING TEAM in the AHL!
His big concern should be putting some muscle on his frame....listed as 6'4" and only 185 pounds! Mikus (born Nov. 30/88) is a couple years younger than Gunnarsson (born Nov.9/86) and its exciting to think how he could play with another 20 pounds!
Training camp should be interesting cus I think Oreskovic, Holzer and Aulie will compete for spots too.

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03-28-2010, 07:29 PM
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Me, I demote Finger, trade Kaberle, trade Beauchemin. I then sign Volchenkov.

Phaneuf-Schenn
Komisarek-Volchenkov
Gunnarsson-Mikus
The first 3 moves frees up over 10 million, but money should be invested to forwards, even though I like Volchenkov.

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03-28-2010, 08:24 PM
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Gunnarsson is a top 4, in fact I think he'll be a top 2. He's so good in his own end, and getting better and better in the offensive end. Once he picks up Kaberle's minutes on the power play I think we'll see we found a real gem.

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He won't move Beauch till he finds something better to spend the money on.

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03-28-2010, 09:39 PM
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The good thing about Beauch is he was sign last year to be a stop gap for the younger guys like Mikus, Gunnarsson. 3 years, and will be going into his second next year. He could be great trade bait at the deadline if Mikus and Gunnarsson step up enough. A guy under 4 million, who can play top minutes, shut down top players and plays the power play. Who wouldnt want him. If anyone gets traded on our defense outside of Kabs its Beauch in the next 2 years.

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03-28-2010, 10:13 PM
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Komisarek should be the one to go. He's our 2nd highest paid and 2nd least useful behind Finger. Schenn's growth should make him obsolete.

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He won't be the 6th dman though.

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Kaberle will be traded and Finger barried in the AHL

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03-29-2010, 12:05 AM
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The good thing about Beauch is he was sign last year to be a stop gap for the younger guys like Mikus, Gunnarsson. 3 years, and will be going into his second next year. He could be great trade bait at the deadline if Mikus and Gunnarsson step up enough. A guy under 4 million, who can play top minutes, shut down top players and plays the power play. Who wouldnt want him. If anyone gets traded on our defense outside of Kabs its Beauch in the next 2 years.
Thought the same for Kubina, and we got Exelby..

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03-29-2010, 02:28 PM
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He won't move Beauch till he finds something better to spend the money on.
It's called Volchenkov.

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03-29-2010, 02:31 PM
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The first 3 moves frees up over 10 million, but money should be invested to forwards, even though I like Volchenkov.
I want forwards too but there aren't many high end ones this year. That would give us a reasonably priced defense with guys like Giguere coming off the books next year.

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03-29-2010, 02:51 PM
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Volchenkov can't play 25 minutes a night like Beauch has his whole career.

Volchenkov is the same as Komisarek, and would be our 6th best defenseman in a tie with Komisarek.

And, the best part is that Volchenkov is going to cost more than Beachemin this year.

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03-29-2010, 04:45 PM
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Volchenkov can't play 25 minutes a night like Beauch has his whole career.

Volchenkov is the same as Komisarek, and would be our 6th best defenseman in a tie with Komisarek.

And, the best part is that Volchenkov is going to cost more than Beachemin this year.
Some would argue Beauchemin SHOULDN'T be playing 25 minutes per night.

Volchenkov plays 21 minutes per night including 3:30 SH. Since becoming a regular he is +66 (Beauchemin is a -11). Despite having played about 700 less minutes than Beauchemin, he has almost twice as many hits (148 to 75) and more blocked shots (167 to 148).

The Maple Leafs haven't had a player of Volchenkov's ilk since Yushkevich and man do I miss Yushkevich.

If I could move Beauchemin, Finger and Kaberle, I'd sign Volchenkov in a heartbeat. The only one I'd miss would be Kaberle and really I'd only miss half of him, the sublime offensive half.

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03-29-2010, 05:18 PM
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Some would argue Beauchemin SHOULDN'T be playing 25 minutes per night.
And his cup ring argues that he SHOULD.

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Volchenkov plays 21 minutes per night including 3:30 SH. Since becoming a regular he is +66 (Beauchemin is a -11). Despite having played about 700 less minutes than Beauchemin, he has almost twice as many hits (148 to 75) and more blocked shots (167 to 148).

The Maple Leafs haven't had a player of Volchenkov's ilk since Yushkevich and man do I miss Yushkevich.

If I could move Beauchemin, Finger and Kaberle, I'd sign Volchenkov in a heartbeat. The only one I'd miss would be Kaberle and really I'd only miss half of him, the sublime offensive half.
Volchenkov = Komisarek

same same.

And Volchenkov will be just as overpaid this summer as Komisarek was last summer.

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03-29-2010, 05:49 PM
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we definitly do not need volchenkov....if we are going to sign another dman we need it to be a puck moving/offensive minded dman to replace kaberle who will most likely be traded for forward help....i would like to either sign paul martin or aquire a young puck mover as part of the package for kabs
also i would trade komisarek or a equaly high priced forward as kindof a salary swap defense for offense....2 teams come to mind that might want to do that
san jose for clowe
phily for hartnell
either of those i think would be a very good move for us we turn a dman that will be bottom pairing next year for us....into a good power forward and save between 300k and 900k depending on which deal..
alos it waould open up a spot for a puck mover and/or younger guy

personlayy i would like to see these things happen

its been rumoured that washington offered fehr+alzner+1st for kabs....i say do that deal
trade komisarek to philly for hartnell
sign paul martin for 5 mil per should get it done
waive or bury figer in minors
go with this as our d

phaneuf-beauchemin
martin-schenn
alzner-gunnarson
oreskovic 7th man

that would actually be about 5 mil cheaper than our current dcore and i think its better....also when beauchemin's contract is up aulie or mikus can step in for him

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03-29-2010, 05:56 PM
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Keep our D the same, just balance the minutes much more.

Schenn and Gunnarson will hopefully be able to play more minutes next year taking away some from Beauchemin, which imo, will make him a better player.

All have the potential to play 20+ minutes.

Still undecided about Kaberle.

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