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03-30-2010, 01:01 AM
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Derek Meech has to pay $7,500 to the state of Tennessee and I am supposed to feel bad for him?

He is arguably the worst player in the NHL and he makes about $450,000 a year.
He could pay 30 teams $7,500 a year and still have $225,000 left over.
If he can find a way to last five years in the NHL he'll make $2 million in his career.

LOL. Nope. Don't care.

Considering that taxpayer often finance the buildings that these guys play in and then pay obscene prices for tickets, beer and hotdogs, I really don't care.

Too many people are dealing with actual, real-world difficulties and problems in life for me to care the slightest bit about the financial woes of professional athletes and sports franchise owners.

The unemployment rate in the county I work in is 17.2 percent. There are foreclosures all over the place. Factories are still closing down every week.

And Brian "Glen Beck Loving" Rafalski is crying about taxes for professional athletes.

Maybe Rafalski forgot what life was like when he played professionally in Finland.

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03-30-2010, 06:35 AM
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Derek Meech has to pay $7,500 to the state of Tennessee and I am supposed to feel bad for him?

He is arguably the worst player in the NHL and he makes about $450,000 a year.
He could pay 30 teams $7,500 a year and still have $225,000 left over.
Fortunately, NHL players don't have to pay state or federal taxes, nor do they have to pay escroll withholdings to their league.

Whew. Just imagine if they did?

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And Brian "Glen Beck Loving" Rafalski is crying about taxes for professional athletes.
Ahhhhh, now I get it.

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03-30-2010, 08:54 AM
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I think anyone who makes the trip for the game has to pay. According to this article it also applies to coaches, trainers, support staff, etc.

Link: Could you be hit by the 'jock tax'?
Coaches and trainers? Really? I would just go ahead and not pay the tax. Aw shucks, you mean I have a bench warrant out in Tennessee for tax avoision? That means I can never go to Tennessee again....

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While I can see not crying at night for millionaires (i ahve a hard time feeling bad for them, as well), unfair taxation is never a good thing.

Never.

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Derek Meech has to pay $7,500 to the state of Tennessee and I am supposed to feel bad for him?

He is arguably the worst player in the NHL and he makes about $450,000 a year.
He could pay 30 teams $7,500 a year and still have $225,000 left over.
If he can find a way to last five years in the NHL he'll make $2 million in his career.

LOL. Nope. Don't care.

Considering that taxpayer often finance the buildings that these guys play in and then pay obscene prices for tickets, beer and hotdogs, I really don't care.

Too many people are dealing with actual, real-world difficulties and problems in life for me to care the slightest bit about the financial woes of professional athletes and sports franchise owners.

The unemployment rate in the county I work in is 17.2 percent. There are foreclosures all over the place. Factories are still closing down every week.

And Brian "Glen Beck Loving" Rafalski is crying about taxes for professional athletes.

Maybe Rafalski forgot what life was like when he played professionally in Finland.
First of all, why are you even on this board if you hate pro sports so much?

Secondly, this tax extends so far as to hit every athlete and entertainer in the state. That means someone in the AHL making under 50k (AHL min is ~35k) will get hit with the same tax as someone making 5M. So at 5M it won't hurt, at 500k you still don't care, but what about some poor schmo who makes a wage resembling yours? Rafalski is a bigger name, which he's putting on the line to argue for his lesser paid colleagues.

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03-30-2010, 10:32 AM
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First of all, why are you even on this board if you hate pro sports so much?

Secondly, this tax extends so far as to hit every athlete and entertainer in the state. That means someone in the AHL making under 50k (AHL min is ~35k) will get hit with the same tax as someone making 5M. So at 5M it won't hurt, at 500k you still don't care, but what about some poor schmo who makes a wage resembling yours? Rafalski is a bigger name, which he's putting on the line to argue for his lesser paid colleagues.
Where do you read that it applies to the AHL?
What I read is that it applies to the NHL and NBA.

Will someone please tell me who Round Robin hired to do his math? 17 players Red Wings lost money by playing in Nashville? How the hell did he come up with that?

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03-30-2010, 11:33 AM
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Where do you read that it applies to the AHL?
What I read is that it applies to the NHL and NBA.

Will someone please tell me who Round Robin hired to do his math? 17 players Red Wings lost money by playing in Nashville? How the hell did he come up with that?
Seems kind of obvious, right?

Gross paycheck
-15+% escrow witholding
-Federal taxes @ 35%
-State taxes @ 4.35% if they are in Michigan
-City/County/Local taxes.

So, depending on how you split up salary I think you can get a whole bunch of different numbers. Personally, I prefer splitting salary by 82 because that's a little more fair than just taking a daily average salary.

So, take a guy making a million bucks a year.

1,000,000
-350,000
- 43,500
- 5,000 (est.)
- 150,000 (escrow minimum)

That leaves a guy who started with a million bucks 451500. Divide that by 82 and you get around 5500 bucks.

So, for the privilege of playing a game in Nashville an NHL player making a million dollars will have to pay over 45% of their remaining game check to the city of Nashville, and that percentage spikes up the further under a million bucks you go.

For example, Jimmy Howard makes 716,666 a year. Using the same formula:

716,666
- 250,833
- 32,250
-3500 (est)
- 107,500 (escrow)

That leaves Howard $322,583 out of his salary to start the year. Divide that by 82 and you get 3934 per game. So when he has to pay 2500 bucks, he has to pay 63.5% of his game check to play a game in Nashville.

Granted, some people have a slightly more socialist bent so the idea of wildly outrageous taxes on nominally well-to-do types doesn't exactly pluck heartstrings... but still.

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Where do you read that it applies to the AHL?
What I read is that it applies to the NHL and NBA.

Will someone please tell me who Round Robin hired to do his math? 17 players Red Wings lost money by playing in Nashville? How the hell did he come up with that?
By spending more than the 30 seconds you did on this topic?

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Derek Meech has to pay $7,500 to the state of Tennessee and I am supposed to feel bad for him?

He is arguably the worst player in the NHL and he makes about $450,000 a year.
He could pay 30 teams $7,500 a year and still have $225,000 left over.
If he can find a way to last five years in the NHL he'll make $2 million in his career.

LOL. Nope. Don't care.

Considering that taxpayer often finance the buildings that these guys play in and then pay obscene prices for tickets, beer and hotdogs, I really don't care.

Too many people are dealing with actual, real-world difficulties and problems in life for me to care the slightest bit about the financial woes of professional athletes and sports franchise owners.

The unemployment rate in the county I work in is 17.2 percent. There are foreclosures all over the place. Factories are still closing down every week.

And Brian "Glen Beck Loving" Rafalski is crying about taxes for professional athletes.

Maybe Rafalski forgot what life was like when he played professionally in Finland.
+1

Jeez. A punitive flat tax in a state run by conservatives? Color me surprised

Rafalski ought to LOVE this tax. It a major plank of his ideological platform. Or, maybe, is it that Rafalski can only feel sympathy for fellow millionaires? Flat taxes are OK when they hurt poor people, but not OK when they hurt millionaires? As if.

Anyway, I hope several Michigan politicians have read this story.

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While I can see not crying at night for millionaires (i ahve a hard time feeling bad for them, as well), unfair taxation is never a good thing.

Never.
Ah, a breath of fresh air in this thread.

I absolutely agree.

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By spending more than the 30 seconds you did on this topic?
This tax DOES NOT apply to the AHL. Please read the facts on the Tennessee Privilege Tax

The language specifically targets the NHL and NBA (thus, Titans and NFL players are exempt). Also exempt are coaches, support staff, etc. It is just the professional athletes of the NHL and NBA. Now, if someone like Ritola gets called up to play a game for the Wings in Nashville, then he'd pay the tax... but that is because he'd be considered an NHL player, under an NHL contract in an NHL game.

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Also, players on two-way contracts must spend 10 days or more (they don't have to be consecutive, just cumulative) with their parent club before they are subject to the tax. So a single game cup of coffee is not enough.

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This tax DOES NOT apply to the AHL. Please read the facts on the Tennessee Privilege Tax
I know it doesn't, never said it did

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I know it doesn't, never said it did
While you didn't make the direct claim, it was implied in your criticism of CB, as if CB should have spent more than 30 seconds to find out that it did apply to AHL players (when it in fact does not).

I guess sorry if I offended you. My main priority was to clear up the facts. This is a tax directed at millionaires, with specific language to minimize collateral damage.

The states that have a "jock tax" with more general language, where coaches and minor league athletes get caught up in them, aren't flat taxes like the one in Tennessee. Rafalski ought to be applauding the Tennessee model as the "correct" way to implement such a tax, then, given his political leanings.

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I think the implication was that it affects AHL players who happen to get a callup and play a game or two in Tennessee, not that it affects AHL players who only play in the AHL.

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While you didn't make the direct claim, it was implied in your criticism of CB, as if CB should have spent more than 30 seconds to find out that it did apply to AHL players (when it in fact does not).
My reply only fit, grammatically, as a response to his last question, which was about how Rafalski came up with the idea that 17 players had to pay out of pocket to play in Nashville. Semantics, but I don't see how my reply could have fit with his comment about AHL players Perhaps I should have deleted the first half of his post in quoting him.


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I guess sorry if I offended you. My main priority was to clear up the facts. This is a tax directed at millionaires, with specific language to minimize collateral damage.
Not at all offended. The real implication in my reply to CB was that he wasn't accounting for all the other taxes these guys pay (that have been described at length in this thread), and that's how a lot of the lower-paid guys can actually have to pay out of pocket in order to play a game in Nashville.

In the end, I don't really care about this tax, or the fact that guys who make a living playing a game have to pay it. There's far more important things for me to worry about. But it is a bit obnoxious when a poster has such a strong dislike for a guy that he ignores facts when making his driveby jabs at the guy.


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I think the implication was that it affects AHL players who happen to get a callup and play a game or two in Tennessee, not that it affects AHL players who only play in the AHL.
This^

Should be obvious to us, seeing as how many AHL callups we've seen this year.

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Jeez. A punitive flat tax in a state run by conservatives? Color me surprised
Damn right. That's why we have Liberals... to lower taxes.

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